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Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Mar 23, 2008 at 08:37 PM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
>
>I find the new Explorer has
>more emphasis on looks than efficiency, even if it does have tabs.
IE 8, in its first public beta, make efficiency-related changes, that and security almost exclusively. I’m using it as my operative version of IE, although occasionally it crashes (estimate, once every other day).
>
>Recent Firefox
>versions have been more buggy than previous ones.
>
>And as for Opera, ever since
>trying to get help on one of their so-called “community” forums run by, and having to
>deal with, some of the most arrogant and obnoxious folk I have ever met on-line, I
>really lost any respect for their efforts (of course that was also after I had lost all
>my mail using the Opera client).
They’re quite astounding, and their sysop is a tyrant. They suppress any criticism of their product on their boards, which I think has resulted in their ignoring obvious simplifications to the browser. I think they’re floundering now; basically, Firefox is causing their slow death. Their operative browser is almost as slow as IE 7, and they don’t seem to be able to get 9.5 out of beta.
>
>So I wish Mac well as it overtakes the
>competition.
>
>Thanks for the tip, Stephen.
>
>Daly
Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Mar 23, 2008 at 08:45 PM
quant wrote:
>Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
>>delivery, I can see why Apple did it. It changed my mind,
>anyway, in that on at least one
>>important dimension—maybe the most important
>one—Apple software simply runs
>>better.
>
>“Apple software simply runs better.” -
>pleeeeeeeeeeaze ...
Either it runs better, or they do an excellent job of creating that appearance, in which case it would be interesting to know how, even if it turns out to be mass hypnosis.
>
>>I am using it now, as the speed for me makes up for
>>the lack of
>features. Firefox 3, beta 4 is supposed to be almost as fast, but I find no
>
>>comparison. Safari is instantaneous.
>
>I never get this speed thingy, are you
>people just clicking on the links all the time or are you actually sometimes read the
>context of the websites you browse?
For example: I want to check what’s new on OutlinerSoftware. I click to get here, and I prefer that it happen immediately.
Posted by quant
Mar 23, 2008 at 09:38 PM
>>I never get this >speed thingy, are you >>people just clicking on the links all the time or are you
>actually sometimes read the >>context of the websites you browse?
>
>For example: I
>want to check what’s new on OutlinerSoftware. I click to get here, and I prefer that it
>happen immediately.
ehm, people usually use RSS for things like that (which is well executed in Safari btw.)
Well, IMO, it’s pathetic from Apple to use Microsoft’s methods to force their software upon users (IE, WM player). Just try to install QuickTime and it tries to force you to install iTunes (which then when updating tries to install Safari), another useless driver for iPod, automatically installs Apple updater, etc ...
And back to Safari ... (not as speedy on Windows as on Mac) cannot block flash, bad window/tab opening, terrible smudged fonts ...
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Mar 24, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Stephen, I am glad to have my Opera experience confirmed by one other person. I think it may be more than a coincidence that this sysop or moderator’s name sounds similar to Herrod, as in Kind Herrod, and we remember what a jolly fellow he was.
I actually had a few conversations with Opera’s corporate office about Herrod, and though they said the right words and sounded almost genuinely concerned, nothing changed.
And I still don’t have my mail.
I used to have uniformly high respect for Scandinavian culture, believing it to be somehow more refined and socially civilized than North American culture. Perhaps Norway is the exception to that—or perhaps in Norway, being a techie or a geek equate to having a sense of intellectual and more superiority.
Anyhow, the forums that constitute the so-called community for Opera do more to tick people off than anything else the company might do. They should be called the Opera un-community.
Having said that, I found two or three people on the forum who were genuinely helpful. But I didn’t understand some of the forum process, and I virtually begged Herrod to explain it to me, assuring him I did not mean to question his superior status. I was studiously ignored by Herrod, but some of his centurions managed to get in some cheap verbal shots that apparently had royal approval.
I suspect in five years Opera will go the way of Navigator. Incidentally, I preferred the last version of Navigator to Firefox, even though it used the same engine. More scripts kept working on Navigator; I think Nav was a tad faster; and it seemed just a little better put together.
If I could get the Google toolbar for Windows Safari I would have no reason to use Firefox.
Daly
Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
>
>
>Daly de Gagne wrote:
>
>>
>>I find the new Explorer has
>>more emphasis on looks than
>efficiency, even if it does have tabs.
>
>IE 8, in its first public beta, make
>efficiency-related changes, that and security almost exclusively. I’m using it as
>my operative version of IE, although occasionally it crashes (estimate, once every
>other day).
>>
>>Recent Firefox
>>versions have been more buggy than previous
>ones.
>>
>>And as for Opera, ever since
>>trying to get help on one of their so-called
>“community” forums run by, and having to
>>deal with, some of the most arrogant and
>obnoxious folk I have ever met on-line, I
>>really lost any respect for their efforts
>(of course that was also after I had lost all
>>my mail using the Opera
>client).
>
>They’re quite astounding, and their sysop is a tyrant. They suppress any
>criticism of their product on their boards, which I think has resulted in their
>ignoring obvious simplifications to the browser. I think they’re floundering now;
>basically, Firefox is causing their slow death. Their operative browser is almost as
>slow as IE 7, and they don’t seem to be able to get 9.5 out of beta.
>>
>>So I wish Mac well as
>it overtakes the
>>competition.
>>
>>Thanks for the tip, Stephen.
>>
>>Daly
>
Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Mar 24, 2008 at 02:13 AM
quant wrote:
>ehm, people usually use RSS for
>things like that (which is well executed in Safari btw.)
So, the availability of features and services to compensate for speed make speed immaterial?
From the standpoint of efficient features, I think iRider is best. Yet I use it only for some specialized purposes, without even being able to articulate why. I’m concluding that the subliminal annoyance comes from its slowness.
>
>Well, IMO, it’s pathetic
>from Apple to use Microsoft’s methods to force their software upon users (IE, WM
>player). Just try to install QuickTime and it tries to force you to install iTunes
>(which then when updating tries to install Safari), another useless driver for iPod,
>automatically installs Apple updater, etc ...
I can’t stand Apple the company myself. But I like Opera even less, yet I find I use it the most. The e-mail and newsgroups integration is the draw.
>
>And back to Safari ... (not as speedy
>on Windows as on Mac) cannot block flash, bad window/tab opening, terrible smudged
>fonts ...