Another free tree-based PIM and a free calendar/to-do
Started by Cassius
on 1/23/2008
Cassius
1/23/2008 9:34 pm
Bob Mackreth
1/24/2008 5:18 am
The Waseo UI makes me want to bleach my eyeballs.
GeorgeB
1/24/2008 7:44 pm
Playing with theGuide I like the hyperlinks, search function and the simplicity in its operation. Is this the start of something good? gB
Christoph
1/25/2008 9:09 am
"The Guide" reminds me of Maple, and is quite nice, but has the same problem: Only one tree, no tabs. And according to http://groups.google.com/group/the-guide-users-group/browse_thread/thread/85f88d8129420325 they don't want to implement this. So for me, no alternative to my favorite outliner, "My Notes Keeper" and KeyNote.
Daly de Gagne
1/25/2008 4:58 pm
Christoph, your comments and those of others beg a question.
Why do people spend time and energy reinventing the wheel, and indicate a lack of interest in doing the things that make even the basic wheel work better?
Is it a hobby or a lack of vision?
On the other hand, I look at the serious work that Pierre has done to create an alternative to Ecco, and the openness he has had to suggestions and in put from all over the place.
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Daly
Why do people spend time and energy reinventing the wheel, and indicate a lack of interest in doing the things that make even the basic wheel work better?
Is it a hobby or a lack of vision?
On the other hand, I look at the serious work that Pierre has done to create an alternative to Ecco, and the openness he has had to suggestions and in put from all over the place.
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Daly
Pierre Paul Landry
1/25/2008 7:10 pm
Thanks for the kind words Daly. I think the answer is that it is so easy to combine a simple tree control with MS rich-text control. You then instanly get a 2-pane outliner, like zillion others. Kind of a school-type project. Then, one adds extra features. A few become significant (the ones we all know).
Just posted here before reading this thread:
http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/589/35
Just posted here before reading this thread:
http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/589/35
Cassius
1/26/2008 7:46 am
RE Maple: I gave up on Maple because each successive version made it harder to open older files in the new version. I think with Version 6, I first had to open EACH file separately in ver. 5.3, export it in a particular format and then open the exported file in ver. 6.
With respect to multiple tabs, or lack thereof in Guide: I haven't tried it, but many such programs can have more than one file open by opening a second file by double-clicking its name in its containing folder, rather than opening the file from within the program.
-c
With respect to multiple tabs, or lack thereof in Guide: I haven't tried it, but many such programs can have more than one file open by opening a second file by double-clicking its name in its containing folder, rather than opening the file from within the program.
-c
Christoph
1/26/2008 2:22 pm
Cassius wrote:
The question is whether the files are opened within the same program instance, or another instance is running in parallel, consuming additional memory etc. Also, switching between different windows is not so easy as switching between tabs. That's why tabs were introduced into modern GUIs and browsers. For me, tabbed views are a must have in any note keeping tool.
With respect to multiple tabs, or lack thereof in Guide: I haven't
tried it, but many such programs can have more than one file open by opening a second
file by double-clicking its name in its containing folder, rather than opening the
file from within the program.
The question is whether the files are opened within the same program instance, or another instance is running in parallel, consuming additional memory etc. Also, switching between different windows is not so easy as switching between tabs. That's why tabs were introduced into modern GUIs and browsers. For me, tabbed views are a must have in any note keeping tool.
Cassius
1/26/2008 10:28 pm
Christoph wrote:
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The question is whether the files are opened within
the same program instance, or another instance is running in parallel, consuming
additional memory etc. Also, switching between different windows is not so easy as
switching between tabs. That's why tabs were introduced into modern GUIs and
browsers. For me, tabbed views are a must have in any note keeping tool.
Most of these programs are rather small in size. Also, in one window, one can switch between tabs by a mouse click on a tab, or by CTRL-TAB. If there are 2 windows, one can click on the task bar or by ALT-TAB. Not much difference.
-c
Christoph
1/28/2008 10:48 am
Cassius wrote:
YMMV, but for me it makes still a big difference. First, I'm not sure if most of these programs really have a small memory footprint. But most of all, my windows task bar is already cramped with all other apps, and there is no natural order. Tabs are nicely arranged and titled, always in the same order, and already opened for me when the program is started. It's just simpler. Your argument would principally also apply to web browsers or editors, where people prefer having tab support, too. And in note taking apps they make even more sense - they resemble traditional tab cards and give me an additional "dimension" so that I don't need to cram everything into one tree.Honestly, I think the tab support was the ingredient that made "KeyNote" so popular even until today.
Most of these programs are rather small in size. Also, in one window,
one can switch between tabs by a mouse click on a tab, or by CTRL-TAB. If there are 2
windows, one can click on the task bar or by ALT-TAB. Not much difference.
YMMV, but for me it makes still a big difference. First, I'm not sure if most of these programs really have a small memory footprint. But most of all, my windows task bar is already cramped with all other apps, and there is no natural order. Tabs are nicely arranged and titled, always in the same order, and already opened for me when the program is started. It's just simpler. Your argument would principally also apply to web browsers or editors, where people prefer having tab support, too. And in note taking apps they make even more sense - they resemble traditional tab cards and give me an additional "dimension" so that I don't need to cram everything into one tree.Honestly, I think the tab support was the ingredient that made "KeyNote" so popular even until today.