Daly de Gagne wrote:

Stephen, I am fortunate b/c the material is in my field so I can quickly set the
structure, all the more so when cloning allows for multiple appearances of the same
thing -- the structure need not be perfect, and I do not have to obsess. I do not have to
obsess. I do not have to obsess. I do not.... Anyhow, you get my point.

I have tried a
number of mind map programs -- recently got MindGenius as I noted her a few months
ago.

On a slightly different front, am trying to determine whether a mind map or a
concept map is the best way for me to set up a knowledge base on brain structure and
function. Any thoughts. I do know that visual is key to remembering and getting the
over-view of an ever-dynamic process with more feedback loops and detours than an
interstate highway construction process in the midst of an urban freeway
system.

If this map isn't so time-pressured, you might consider Axon Idea Processor. I haven't used it, and it is a difficult program, in the sense that there's almost nothing you can just dive in and do. But based on the commentary, it is probably the leading rich idea processor commercially available, at least on Windows. By "rich" I mean it is the opposite of an outliner or mindmapper and further out than a concept mapper. It provides a variety of kinds of diagrams to map processes with different formal properties. Other than that, it sounds like you want at least concept mapping, since you want to map the structure of reality, not the structure of concepts.

There is a program called Recall Plus that is, I think, a more refined
attempt to do what SuperMemo attempts.

Also, in the analogue world, immediate and
spontaneous use of index cards for anything -- with no prior sense of classifying
anything -- is a very powerful modality in this whole process.

What are you using
these days for idea processing and management -- because it always seems you're into
fairly complex, conceptually oriented material of a legal and/or philosophical
bent.

I use MindGenius for inductive outlines and Maxthink for deductive outlines; Brainstorm as a repository for thoughts; OneNote to analyze documents, mostly cases and statutes. Editpad Pro and AceText for drafting.

Daly

Stephen, thanks. Our minds are going in similar directions.I had thought of Axon, but it takes a while to get into it. My sense is that it comes later for presenting the knowledge -- but that the sorage needs to come first in a way that will let me slice and dice constructively.

Interestingly, as I said earlier, Ii still see no need for a IdeaMason of Biblioscape, even those these are supposed to good progrms for this stuff.

Bottom line, the only need I see for either of them is making the biblio refs.

Daly

Stephen R. Diamond wrote:

Daly de Gagne wrote:
>Stephen, I am fortunate b/c the material is in my field so I can
quickly set the
>structure, all the more so when cloning allows for multiple
appearances of the same
>thing -- the structure need not be perfect, and I do not have
to obsess. I do not have to
>obsess. I do not have to obsess. I do not.... Anyhow, you get
my point.
>
>I have tried a
>number of mind map programs -- recently got MindGenius
as I noted her a few months
>ago.
>
>On a slightly different front, am trying to
determine whether a mind map or a
>concept map is the best way for me to set up a
knowledge base on brain structure and
>function. Any thoughts. I do know that visual
is key to remembering and getting the
>over-view of an ever-dynamic process with
more feedback loops and detours than an
>interstate highway construction process
in the midst of an urban freeway
>system.

If this map isn't so time-pressured, you
might consider Axon Idea Processor. I haven't used it, and it is a difficult program,
in the sense that there's almost nothing you can just dive in and do. But based on the
commentary, it is probably the leading rich idea processor commercially available,
at least on Windows. By "rich" I mean it is the opposite of an outliner or mindmapper and
further out than a concept mapper. It provides a variety of kinds of diagrams to map
processes with different formal properties. Other than that, it sounds like you want
at least concept mapping, since you want to map the structure of reality, not the
structure of concepts.
>
>There is a program called Recall Plus that is, I think, a
more refined
>attempt to do what SuperMemo attempts.
>
>Also, in the analogue
world, immediate and
>spontaneous use of index cards for anything -- with no prior
sense of classifying
>anything -- is a very powerful modality in this whole
process.
>
>What are you using
>these days for idea processing and management --
because it always seems you're into
>fairly complex, conceptually oriented
material of a legal and/or philosophical
>bent.

I use MindGenius for inductive
outlines and Maxthink for deductive outlines; Brainstorm as a repository for
thoughts; OneNote to analyze documents, mostly cases and statutes. Editpad Pro and
AceText for drafting.

>
>Daly

Daly de Gagne wrote:

What happens when you
want UR on more than one stick? Do you pay for another copy? Or can you install UR on as
many sticks as you want?

From UR Help - License Agreement

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. This EULA grants you the following rights:

Software. Each license of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may either be used by a single person who uses the SOFTWARE PRODUCT personally on one or more computers, or installed on a single computer used non-simultaneously by multiple people, but not both. This is not a concurrent use license.

==========

Doesn't appear to distingush between Personal or Commerical use, appears more concerned with the Licensed User - provides some wide latitude.

Storing or Linking in UR - Edits

Edits to a Linked .doc will be saved (prompt) when moving focus off the Detail Pane, or by Saving via the application in the Detail Pane.

Edits to Stored .doc will be saved to the Stored copy, the Original will be updated when a Sync (Ctrl-F5) is invoked by the user.

If you want to "break" this linkage (Sync) for the Stored .doc, edit the URL Attribute to remove the path\filename - but leave the .extension (saw this in a post from Kinook, can't find it now).

You might want to Cut/Paste the path\filename string to a user-created attribute.

It's not clear how much editting you anticipate, or whether version control is important, this could become tedious.

To get the edited file back out, File | Export | Documents..., select the location folder to export to, the filename will be taken from the Item Title.

Re Archivarius:
cannot really compare with X1 (cause I only tried it, didn't like it, and so quickly uninstalled).

I can only say so much that Archivarius was on my list of top 5 most apps used in 2007 (no one else mentioned it), and so far it has never let me down.

I can literally find needle in a haystack. When I just remember few words or a short phrase ... it gives results in a few seconds. And unlike a lot of competitors, it has a morphology search, and also supports wildcards * and ? . The "found fragments view" is excellent, you can quickly go through the found terms in that document. It has my full recommendation, if it means anything :)

And re
Archivarius, which I heard of for the first time several days ago, why is it better
than, say X1, who soon want me to pay for my demo program?

Thanks.

Daly

quant wrote:

I can only say so much that Archivarius was on my list of
top 5 most apps used in 2007

I had never heard of the program before you mentioned it. Now I also read (at the Zoot forum) that it supports Zoot files and was intrigued. I checked the website
http://www.likasoft.com/document-search/features.shtml
and was flabbergasted by the amount of files that it supports.

I had never considered using such a universal search program as they usually leave me out on two grounds: the programs I use (such as The Bat! which I depend on for e-mail) and my working language (Greek). In addition to supporting Unicode, Archivarius includes Greek in its morphological search, along with many other languages.

Will definitely give it a try :-) Thanks!
alx

Thomas wrote:

From those that I at least tried, or used, I'd go with Ultrarecall, if my needs included
the search capability.
With exception of PDF, in the past I have found that UR had
problems with indexing PDF, it would only index a part of many PDF files I had, and I'm
not sure they fixed this (most probably not).

If I was more afer categorization, and
had a powerful search program like Archivarius, I'd seriusly consider MyInfo, and
I'd only store links to those documents in MI, and use MI for writing and
categorization, and Archivarius for searching. I tend to like the tags
functionality in MI much more than tags in UR, and generally Mi is better in visual
terms than UR (eg. it allows you to use text formatting on article titles, a biggie for
me.) MI probably has a slightly better editor.

UR has better web clipping than MI,
but you can't edit those webclips in UR directly.

Does anybody know if UltraRecall still has problems with indexing pdf files?

If Daly isn't concerned about text formatting, and only intends to link his files to, rather than store them in, his program of choice, then I'd have thought that Zoot32 would be a good candidate after all (despite my previous comments) - and much more powerful than either UltraRecall or MyInfo for categorizing or note-taking.

It just goes to show how much choice of software depends on style of working. Once the notion of needing to store files within a particular piece of software is taken out of the equation, the options open up again.

Derek

Does
anybody know if UltraRecall still has problems with indexing pdf files?

Quickly tested on 3 files here, and it still doesn't index them. It finds some texts in the first part of the document, but not those at the end.
Maximum size to keyword set to the default 20MB, the tree documents combined had less than 4MB.
Can't guarantee the testing results, as I had no time to test meticulously.

I don't use pdf indexing feature in UR, but I'm sure Kinook would have a look at the problem. Might be that I missed the topic of the their forum, but wasn't aware of the pdf indexing problem.
Would you case to send the problematic pdf's to support@kinnok.com ...

Thanks ;-)

Thomas wrote:

>Does
>anybody know if UltraRecall still has problems with indexing pdf
files?

Quickly tested on 3 files here, and it still doesn't index them. It finds some
texts in the first part of the document, but not those at the end.
Maximum size to
keyword set to the default 20MB, the tree documents combined had less than 4MB.
Can't
guarantee the testing results, as I had no time to test meticulously.

Would you case to send the problematic pdf's to

would you care ...

ps:
I wish this forum was a bit more advanced (edit feature, ...)

;-)

Would you case to send the problematic pdf's to

They said:
"The pdf keywording (and performance issue) have been confirmed here with our own visbuildpro.pdf file (that you reference). Apparently the pdf to text component used by Ultra Recall doesn't work properly with that pdf file. Other pdf files we tested do parse properly."

I have a number of files where it doesn't work, maybe I will revisit it with them when I have some time, it's not pressing me currently. I'm surprised it wasn't reported more often.

I will soon need some proper indexing software (particularly for PDF files and email archives), but most probably it will be Archivarius and not UR, especially at the incredibly low price that I can get it for which makes it a no-brainer.

PS. I too am missing the edit feature.

Thomas wrote:

>Would you case to send the problematic pdf's to

They said:
"The pdf keywording
(and performance issue) have been confirmed here with our own visbuildpro.pdf file
(that you reference). Apparently the pdf to text component used by Ultra Recall
doesn't work properly with that pdf file. Other pdf files we tested do parse
properly."

I have a number of files where it doesn't work, maybe I will revisit it
with them when I have some time, it's not pressing me currently. I'm surprised it
wasn't reported more often.

I will soon need some proper indexing software
(particularly for PDF files and email archives), but most probably it will be
Archivarius and not UR, especially at the incredibly low price that I can get it for
which makes it a no-brainer.

PS. I too am missing the edit feature.

Thomas -

Thanks very much for checking this. PDF files are something of a stumbling-block for most information managers. Developers always seem over-optimistic about their capacity to do more than display them via the embedded Acrobat Reader. Like you, I wonder why users don't complain more, when more has been promised.

I've concluded that pdf files are probably best held in the Windows filing system and searched by using a decent indexed search program. I use dtSearch, but it is expensive, and Redtree's Wilbur and Wilma do almost as well for free. Now that Archivarius can apparently search Zoot, I'll be looking at that one, too.

Derek