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Posted by marlowe
Dec 17, 2021 at 12:01 AM
It’s a very nice implementation, esp. with the navigable hierarchy displayed as mentioned above.
Posted by Dr Andus
Dec 18, 2021 at 03:07 PM
Okay, I had a bit of time to play with it. It’s definitely a big new feature for WorkFlowy and opens up possibilities that weren’t available before.
However, in comparison with Roam, the big difference seems to be that the functionality of a link and its backlink is more of a local and manual process, than a global and automatic one (across the entire database).
What seems to be missing is the automatic search for the given link (as a keyword or phrase) and then the automatic creation of backlinks in every item or document where that linked keyword or phrase turns up.
This is what makes Roam so powerful. Let’s hope that this is something that WorkFlowy can catch up with in the future.
WorkFlowy could now work better as a Zettelkasten system, but due to the lack of this automatic global backlink creation, Roam would still be a more powerful option for that.
Here’s how such a system could work in WorkFlowy now:
1) Have one area (under one bullet point) for the writing of texts. This would be a writing workspace, as well as a repository of formerly written texts.
2) Have a Zettelkasten under another bullet point - reading notes repository. One could import these notes from elsewhere or start from scratch.
3) Have a References area under another bullet point: essentially a database of all bibligraphic references of sources for the Zettelkasten as well as referred to in the writing area.
Now, as one would be writing a new text in Area (1), you could manually create links to existing references (or create new references), such as e.g. (Smith 2021) would be a link to Area 3, and if you’re pulling in a quote or making a reference in the text to a Zettelkasten item, you could manually link from the text to the Zettelkasten item.
Then in the References under (Smith 2021) the backlinks would be displayed to both the article in Area 1, and to the given Zettel in Area 2, and the Zettel would also have a backlink to the text it was linked to from. (So there would be a triangular referencing relationship between the 3 areas.)
I’ve modelled this and this would work. The only reason I am unlikely to do this right away is that Roam would be still better for such a system, due to the aforementioned fact that in Roam every page containing (Smith 2021) would create an automatic backlink to the original (Smith 2021) item, while in WorkFlowy this would only happen to the specific pages where that singular link was created.
Posted by Dr Andus
Dec 31, 2021 at 01:07 PM
I’ve been a loyal user of WorkFlowy for many years, though in recent times I’ve moved some of my activities to Dynalist and Roam.
I could probably terminate my Dynalist subscription but there are still a couple of functions that seem basic and are annoyingly missing from WorkFlowy:
1) a tag pane (like Dynalist has) that would list all tags and the number of times they’ve been used, allowing them to be sorted alphabetically and by the number of times they’ve been used.
2) A date stamp for when an item was created and a separate one for when it was last modified (like Dynalist has).
Other nice-to-have features would be the ability to quickly move an item into a specific location directly (like a “go to” function), and the ability to have at least one other pane open in the same tab (like Roam can do).
If it could have an auto-search function to display all linked and unlinked references to an item (or term), like Roam, that would be the cherry on the cake, though if it degrades the speed of the application, I could live without it.
Posted by Simon
Feb 14, 2022 at 09:50 AM
I’ve put the brakes on with Workflowy at the moment. I made some enquiries about privacy for non US citizen’s and have received less than stellar responses. The long and short of it is is that if you are not a US citizen and your data resides on a US server there are no protections in place from the US government requesting your data. This gives non US citizen’s no privacy guarantee. It’s not something I can trust to put my personal data into. The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) ruled the GDPR was not sufficient a protection for non-US citizens. This should be a concern for anyone who is not in the US, but has their data stored there.
Posted by Dormouse
Feb 19, 2022 at 12:23 PM
Dr Andus wrote:
>2) A date stamp for when an item was created and a separate one for when
>it was last modified (like Dynalist has).
Can’t you just type ‘now’ then tab? I find that’s as fast as anything, and can do it whenever and wherever you want.