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Posted by Daly de Gagne
Nov 23, 2014 at 11:35 PM
Thanks Bill, for your suggestion re OneNote.
Here comes a sure sign of my ignorance: I cannot even imagine how to set up EN and use it for such a project.
But…if may be so bold, assuming there’s nothing confidential in the library, I’d love to see how you’ve got EN set up (plus get a chance to learn more about a truly interesting individual).
I might be able to see that OneNote could be a solution.
But I agree with you that the ON tags are quite weak.
BTW just looked at your website and saw the graphic of Morris’ study - what a neat place to work and read in!
Daly
WSP wrote:
Daly, I have been a fairly steady user of Evernote since 2006, and
>through the years I have accumulated more than 20,000 notes in the
>program.
>
>In recent months I have been relying on Evernote to create an online
>catalogue of William Morris’s personal library
>(http://williammorrislibrary.wordpress.com/), which I am doing in
>collaboration with my wife. It’s a very big project: we are recording
>information about some 2,000 books (and manuscripts), of which we have
>posted 860 so far on our website.
>
>Last month I bought a Surface Pro 3 (a very nice device, by the way) to
>replace my old laptop and discovered that Evernote would not sync on it.
>I of course immediately got in touch with the Evernote support staff,
>but so far they have not been able to solve the mystery. Evernote is
>still functioning on my desktop machine, but what this means is that I
>can no longer use it in libraries (where I have to do most of my
>research).
>
>This has been going on for a month now, and finally this weekend, in
>extreme frustration, I shifted all of my thousands of notes and drafts
>for the project over to OneNote, using a useful little utility program
>called OneNote Batch.
>
>We will see whether that was a wise decision. So far I’ve noticed only
>two features of Evernote that I will miss. First, the tags in OneNote
>are quite feeble, consisting mainly of cute little icons. Second, it is
>more difficult to transfer images from OneNote to Wordpress.com (the
>platform for our catalogue). With Evernote I was able to drag and drop
>the images, but in OneNote that doesn’t work, and I am forced to use
>some awkward workarounds. Other than that, OneNote seems very well
>suited for a project like this.
>
>Bill
>
Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 24, 2014 at 12:54 AM
Neville Franks wrote:
>And I’d welcome and appreciate feedback from any other Outliner Software
>members.
Hi Neville,
Thanks for opening up the beta.
is Clibu entirely browser-based, or is there going to be a Windows etc. client?
is it currently possible to attach screenshots with the Clibu Web Clipper?
As for the current interface, my suggestion would be to add a “minimalist” or “skeleton” view that displays an article in small font in a single line, with its main data, such as title, date added, tags (and maybe URL at the end, so at least the beginning of it would be visible, even if the tail of it would be hidden).
This would be needed to be able to browse a large collection (e.g. hundreds of articles under a tag) more efficiently. I find that currently a collapsed article still takes up a lot space. On my Chromebook with browser in full-screen mode and with all articles collapsed I can only see 5 articles at a time. In comparison, I can see 43 articles at a time in Surfulater (accessed on my PC from the same browser in Chromebook using Chrome Remote Desktop). That’s a huge difference in terms of efficient perusal of the data.
Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 24, 2014 at 01:09 AM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
>I’ve a lot of material in Surfulater but don’t want to trust a product
>that’s not being developed any longer.
I found Surfulater very stable and reliable (on Win7, x64 at least), so it not being developed is not stopping me from using it for the foreseeable future. The only thing that I see that could go wrong is if the web clippers in the various browsers stopped working as the browsers get updated. But I’d hope that we can count on Neville on keeping those up to date.
>So am also thinking of WhizFolders.
I haven’t tried the latest version, so I don’t know if this has been improved, but I found that WF slowed down significantly even when I just added a few larger images, so I didn’t find it suitable as a database for rich data, such as websites and images. It’s a fine outliner for text otherwise.
>Wondering if Workflowy can be modified?
You mean once they’ve added image support? I can’t see it being comparable to Evernote for some time, and I sincerely hope they don’t go down that route. I just love the current simplicity and the text-based paradigm.
Posted by WSP
Nov 24, 2014 at 01:42 AM
Daly, at the risk of boring everyone else on this list, here is what I am doing in OneNote—but bear in mind that I am still in the midst of a transition to this new system, and some details may change in the future.
First I created a notebook called “Morris library” and then within it the following sections: checklist; notes; printed sources; archives; catalogues; temporary.
The “checklist” secction consists of notes on all the individual books and manuscripts that we are describing. The top half of each note is a draft of what will appear on our website; the bottom half consists of rough notes, including things like information from online library catalogues, pasted entries from auction catalogues, etc. When an entry is ready to be posted to our website, we simply copy and paste the upper half of the relevant note into Wordpress (and in Wordpress we are able to add various categories and tags). Of course when we do that, we use a checkbox in OneNote to remind ourselves of which items have already been transferred.
Incidentally, there are several OneNote add-ons that allow you to alphabetize all the notes in a section.
“Notes” is for more miscellaneous background information about the development and dispersal of Morris’s library.
“Printed sources” is our list of sources we need to consult.
“Archives” is similar, but it includes archival rather than printed sources.
“Catalogues” is a list of booksellers’ and auction catalogues we will be looking at.
“Temporary” is what it sounds like.
I find OneNote’s search capabilities excellent, and its ability to read text in images is even better than Evernote’s. I am still experimenting with ways of creating my own tags.
Bill
Posted by WSP
Nov 24, 2014 at 01:49 AM
Oops, sorry, I just noticed that you were really asking about how to organize a project like this in Evernote. The basic principles and sections were the same as in OneNote. The main advantage that Evernote offers is its very sophisticated tagging system, so that, for example, I could search for all books formerly in Morris’s library that are now in the Yale University Library and on which we had not yet completed our work. That’s a bit more difficult to do in OneNote.
Bill