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Posted by WSP
Nov 26, 2014 at 02:49 PM
I think my mistake may have been placing all 2000 items in one section. When I added the last batch of new material, my two computers were no longer able to sync with each other. Obviously I need to do some more experiments—perhaps by dividing up the notes among several sections.
Posted by WSP
Nov 26, 2014 at 02:53 PM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
Incidentally, I just installed new Evernote version on my Android
>tablet.
>
>This new version will make it slower to use, and because spacing between
>tags has increased srolling through tags will be even more of an ordeal.
>
>Fortunately the new Android version isn’t as much a piece of dumbed down
>fluff as the new browser verion - but inasmuch as it may reflect a
>future direction for Evernote design it doesn’t increase my confidence
>in EN.
>
>Daly
>
Daly, I see that the new version of Evernote for Mac, introduced just a few days ago, copies the stripped-down visual elements of the Web version. I suspect (and fear) that’s coming to the Windows version soon as well.
Bill
Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 26, 2014 at 07:17 PM
Ah, yes, I don’t think OneNote will like 2000 entries in a single section! But you can use sections as the equivalent of tags (especially if you use multi-sections, or whatever they call ‘em).
It does appear that synchronisation is OneNote’s Achilles heel. Having said which, it’s getting better all the time (I’ve noticed a significant improvement in the latest version for MacOS; big increase in speed, much less fuss and bother, no mysterious freezes).
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Nov 26, 2014 at 07:23 PM
I don’t understand EN’s approach, and I find it most interesting EN is ignoring this discussion and tweets I have made.
A lot of EN’s work on analog/digital inter-connectivity, while not of great current interest to me, is valuable. For me a strong focus on the analog is important because it is another way of thinking and working and one which is to my mind finding support from some of the pschoneuro imaging studies.
But interconnectivity is important. I applaud EN for it, but am concerned by the superficiality of its merchandising efforts, especially with partners like Moleskine who have not been the epitome of honesty (the notebook Hemmingway used), quality (cf Leuchtturm), or economy.
The great EN contradiction has always been its information management feature set. It is very good for some things - that’s why I have 10,000 items in it. But EN’s plethora of engineers and fan boys on the forums don’t seem to realize the limitations in managing info.
And now the graphic design folks - and I’d argue that thanks to Windows 8, tablets (which I love) smart phones, etc design is at an all-time worst for the net in recent times - seem to be intent on trivializing EN and making EN harder to use.
Seems that info management to EN and life hacking sites and people who make a killing writing books on how to work around EN flaws is all about keeping track of day-to-day business info.
So I will try to learn how to get by with EN’s recent Android app, and hope that EN designers don’t wreck the Windows version.
Occurred to me EN is the “getting by software” though not always in a good way.
Here endeth the rant.
Daly
WSP wrote:
>
>Daly de Gagne wrote:
>Incidentally, I just installed new Evernote version on my Android
>>tablet.
>>
>>This new version will make it slower to use, and because spacing
>between
>>tags has increased srolling through tags will be even more of an
>ordeal.
>>
>>Fortunately the new Android version isn’t as much a piece of dumbed
>down
>>fluff as the new browser verion - but inasmuch as it may reflect a
>>future direction for Evernote design it doesn’t increase my confidence
>>in EN.
>>
>>Daly
>>
>
>Daly, I see that the new version of Evernote for Mac, introduced just a
>few days ago, copies the stripped-down visual elements of the Web
>version. I suspect (and fear) that’s coming to the Windows version soon
>as well.
>
>Bill
Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 26, 2014 at 07:27 PM
I kind of see what you’re saying, Hugh, but in fact, I think folder-based info management is going to become more rather than less popular.
For example: I use Documents on iPad to view my Dropbox documents. Documents indexes all documents, so acts as a fairly powerful info repository. Similarly, increasingly I use EagleFiler on the Mac to manage files, because it’s more precise than Spotlight. At the same time, I can use EagleFiler to create libraries in Dropbox which I then synchronise with Documents on the iPad. Both sets are indexed in different ways. A bit weird, perhaps, but very convenient. Neither of these different approaches affects the actual files themselves; they remain accessible from any device. So this approach is very flexible, in a way that a single app, no matter how cross-platform, usually isn’t.
Having said that, I think we’re due to see a huge development in efficient, cross-platform file management in the near future, incorporating stuff like full-search indices, tagging, virtual links/cloning etc. Clearly this isn’t a straightforward proposition (viz. the failure of the Windows File System a few years’ back; that would have been based on SQL Server, but was pulled by Microsoft just before it was released). Apple and Unix have other options, from ZFS upwards, but so far nobody (to my knowledge) has pulled together something that will work across all platforms. But file management services like Google, Dropbox, OneDrive, Box Net and so on may start producing their own clients that offer info management services as a kind of value-added extra. I’m hoping that will be the case! At which point, yes, perhaps apps like EagleFiler/DEVONthink will suffer. On the other hand, it’s a great incentive for them to offer even more value-added features of their own (e.g. DEVONthink’s concordance feature, but on steroids)!
>For me, however, the idea of a special “container” for documents,
>separate from although within the normal folder-hierarchy - as
>DevonThink has - is becoming increasingly outdated. Cloud repositories,
>the widespread desire to view documents on tablets and ‘phones as well
>as on the desktop, and tagging within the main folder system are some of
>the trends that are making it so, at least on the Mac. Because
>DevonThink can index documents as an alternative to importing them into
>its container, the software itself is not in danger of becoming
>obsolete. But some of its competitors may be.