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Posted by Daly de Gagne
Nov 24, 2014 at 10:55 PM
True that - in the sense of how to structure One Note so it can function as a DB.
BTW any info on Morris’s writing study habits etc? I am always interested in how 19th century & early 20th century writers wrote before onslaught of subsequent technology. :)
WSP wrote:
Daly, you and I seem to be having a separate conversation from the rest
>of the folks on this thread! I’ll be happy to give a screenshot at some
>point in the future, but right now I’m in the midst of making this
>rather traumatic transition from Evernote to OneNote, and my notes will
>look messy until I get this all sorted out.
>
>Bill
>
Posted by Neville Franks
Nov 25, 2014 at 01:28 AM
yosemite wrote:
Maybe a separate topic about Clibu is in order…
>
That would be good idea.
>I loaded the sample and was quickly mystifed when simple scrolling up
>and down resulted in slowdowns and pauses. After scrolling all the way
>down, then scrolling back up slowed down again. Yuck. Equally
>unacceptable was when I clicked something that narrowed the results,
>then when I unclicked it back to “all”, it apparently had to reload
>everything.
>
>These kinds of user experiences are why I don’t use web apps much. Most
>of the things I do in desktop apps happen instantly and that’s the way I
>like it.
I can’t see the scrolling issue you mention and I can’t see how it is possible, unless you are starting to scroll before all the articles in the query have been displayed, in which case it will definitely be a bit jerky.
There is no way Web apps (with remote data) can match the performance of Desktop apps, simply because instead of loading data from your local hard disk, it is all being transferred across the Internet.
I am located in Australia and the Server running Clibu is in the US. When I click ‘All Articles’ in the Sample Knowledge Base it takes approx 5 seconds for all articles to be displayed. I’m located out of town and have a not so speedy ADSL2 connection. Considering that most of these articles have images, which hog bandwidth, I personally feel this is more than satisfactory. Of course you may not think so, and that’s fine.
When I run the same Sample Knowledge Base and query with Clibu running on my local PC it takes < 2 seconds for all articles to be displayed.
I’m more than happy to wait these extra few seconds to gain the benefit of being able to access my content from any PC anywhere, not having to install any software etc. If that’s not a need you have then sticking with Desktop apps (or Clibu running locally) is definitely the way to go.
Posted by Neville Franks
Nov 25, 2014 at 01:47 AM
MadaboutDana wrote:
You’ve not mentioned the fact that Clibu is also language-friendly
>(which Surfulator definitely wasn’t!).
Yes, good point. Another plus for Web apps.
>But the pervasive Cloud model has, I’m afraid, caused me to back away.
>Like others here, I like to have total access to/control of my data
>offline. Ideally through trusted, familiar clients. Hence my preference
>for desktop apps, rather than the many (excellent, beautifully designed,
>really very clever – but totally web-oriented) apps that are
>proliferating out there.
You are definitely not alone. I think there is likely to be a generation divide here, but younger generations are happy to and want (most) of the data in the cloud, and us older folks aren’t very comfortable for various reasons. I was definitely in the latter category, but am no longer. The level of freedom I now have using Web Apps easily outweighs any concerns I used to have over control of data.
You may have missed my reply to Dr.Andus. To cater for folks who want tight control I’m planning several Clibu variations.
a) The ability to have a complete local install of Clibu on your PC. This will include the database, server etc. With an option to still access it from any PC anywhere, if you want. This may still run in a Browser or be a Packaged App. So in essence you are back to having a Desktop app + the various benefits Clibu offers, such as real time updates, KB sharing & collaboration etc.
b) Similar to (a) except Clibu would be installed on a Server you control and own. In other words your own private Cloud.
c) Clibu as it is now, but with Offline capabilities. This would give you a local database that would be used when there was no Internet connection which would then synchronize with the real Clibu server, next time you were online. Unfortunately the world of Browser based databases is far from ideal, which constrains what we are able to do in this scenario. But it will no doubt continue to improve.
I hope these options satisfy your needs.
- Neville
Posted by Neville Franks
Nov 25, 2014 at 01:55 AM
Dr Andus wrote:
Neville Franks wrote:
>>>> 1) Being able to work off-line;
>>That is planned using the Browser App.
>>>> 2) having a complete local back-up of the data, in case failure in
>>the cloud;
>>a) Offline use will do this.
>
>When you say, browser app, do you mean a Chrome app, or any browser being able to access the local data?
I’m not sure yet, but can say I’m definitely interesting at looking closely at Chrome Apps.
>If it’s going to be browser-based only access to the local data, isn’t there a danger that if browsers get a radical update one day but Clibu
>doesn’t get updated (for whatever personal, legal, financial etc. reason that a web-based service could get abandoned), then accessing the data
>could become a problem?
I don’t see this as an issue. As long as Clibu uses Web standards and capabilities (which it does) then such standards have to continue to be supported. In fact I’d argue that a Web app has far greater longevity than a Desktop app because you are not dealing with a range of differing operating systems and hardware.
Also please see my reply to MadaboutDana about the various Clibu packages I’d like to implement.
Posted by Neville Franks
Nov 25, 2014 at 02:03 AM
Hi Daly,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry to hear you also feel Clibu is too slow. I guess this will be a common issue raised by folks who make heavy use of Desktop apps.
I’m pretty sure you’ll find Clibu’s hierarchical tags dispense with the EN issue and can meet your needs for folders and tags. In my use I have not felt any need to differentiate between the two.
Neville