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Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 24, 2014 at 09:34 PM

You’ve not mentioned the fact that Clibu is also language-friendly (which Surfulator definitely wasn’t!).

But the pervasive Cloud model has, I’m afraid, caused me to back away. Like others here, I like to have total access to/control of my data offline. Ideally through trusted, familiar clients. Hence my preference for desktop apps, rather than the many (excellent, beautifully designed, really very clever – but totally web-oriented) apps that are proliferating out there.

GitHub-based organisers appear to be rapidly growing in popularity, incidentally (by which I mean, organisers/note takers/task managers that use GitHub servers). An interesting development, prevalent among the IT-savvy but with signs that it’s growing to embrace the more ordinary/less expert user.

Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 24, 2014 at 09:49 PM

Neville Franks wrote:
>>> 1) Being able to work off-line;
>That is planned using the Browser App.
>>> 2) having a complete local back-up of the data, in case failure in
>the cloud;
>a) Offline use will do this.

When you say, browser app, do you mean a Chrome app, or any browser being able to access the local data?

If it’s going to be browser-based only access to the local data, isn’t there a danger that if browsers get a radical update one day but Clibu doesn’t get updated (for whatever personal, legal, financial etc. reason that a web-based service could get abandoned), then accessing the data could become a problem?

With an off-line software like Surfulater I can at least continue to have access to my data as long as I have a compatible version of Windows and a PC.

Posted by WSP
Nov 24, 2014 at 09:53 PM

Daly, you and I seem to be having a separate conversation from the rest of the folks on this thread! I’ll be happy to give a screenshot at some point in the future, but right now I’m in the midst of making this rather traumatic transition from Evernote to OneNote, and my notes will look messy until I get this all sorted out.

Bill

Posted by yosemite
Nov 24, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Maybe a separate topic about Clibu is in order…

For what it’s worth I will say that I was, months ago, curious about Clibu. I could not find any screenshots on the net, including on the clibu site, and I could not test it quickly, so I set aside my interest. Upon reading this thread I saw an open beta, so I just tried it. It took me about five minutes to decide it’s not for me. Wayyy too slow. Sorry but that’s the fact.

I loaded the sample and was quickly mystifed when simple scrolling up and down resulted in slowdowns and pauses. After scrolling all the way down, then scrolling back up slowed down again. Yuck. Equally unacceptable was when I clicked something that narrowed the results, then when I unclicked it back to “all”, it apparently had to reload everything.

These kinds of user experiences are why I don’t use web apps much. Most of the things I do in desktop apps happen instantly and that’s the way I like it.

Posted by Daly de Gagne
Nov 24, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Offline use with locally stored data would meet my need - which is to not be dependent on a connection or access to the cloud.

Re tag use, and other features, Clibu is too slow for me to test such ones as tags. For sake of discussion I accept they are as robust as you say. For me having folders allows another perspective - I realize one could designate some tags as folder-like by using a symbol in front of those tags to keep them together.

One concern of tags only is the long list of tags which characterize some En databases and are a horror to scroll thru. True hierarchical tags shld help limit tag list length.

I recognize that concerns re speed etc will be dealt with in due course as part of the development process.

Have I left anything out?!

Thanks & cheers,

Daly

Neville Franks wrote:
Hi Daly,
>Thanks for the reply.
> >- With Clibu you can have a Knowledge Base open in as many Tabs as you
>want and I may look at a popup window in the future. You can of course
>have multiple Browser instances open with Knowledge Bases open in both
>which gives you separate Windows. And because Clibu updates all Browsers
>in real time you’ll see all changes as they occur.
> >- Clibu currently works across Windows, Mac & Linux. Tablet and possibly
>Smartphone versions are planned.
> >- Off-line use with data stored locally is planned. Also the ability to
>install Clibu locally and have your own local cloud is planned as is the
>ability to install it on a Web Server you own. These options cover all
>the bases I can think off.
> >>> *Must have downloadable desktop/laptop version.
>Why and what for when we can do everything you want as described above.
> >>> *Folder plus tag structuring - Clibu to me is a step backward from
>Surfulater in this regard
> >The Knowledge Tree in Surfulater was good, but limiting and Tags were an
>afterthought which sort of worked and were also limited in their use.
> >Clibu enhances and evolves both of these into one unified Tags Tree. You
>get the same functionality as the Surfulater Folder tree, but using Tags
>instead, with the big benefit being that an article can have as many
>tags as you want, and therefore be in as many tree branches as you want.
>This is simpler, quicker and better than having to copy articles into
>multiple folders in Surfulater.
> >Further the Tags in Clibu are true hierarchical tags, which can be moved
>in the hierarchy and renamed in an instant. And the Tags filter lets you
>quickly see just the articles you want.
> >I’d be interested to know where you see the shortcomings in this?
> >>> I notice it’s log-in is very fussy,
>I had to restart Clibu several times yesterday to fix some issues and
>install a new version and I think the problems you saw were because of
>this. Once you are logged into Clibu you should stayed logged in and not
>have the issues you raised. If this happens again please let me know.
> >>> One question I come back and may have asked before, Neville, and that
>is why Surfulater could not have been continued to be supported?
> >People want access to their content from any PC (or device) anywhere and
>they want to share content and enable others to collaborate with them.
>Surfulater is not capable of meeting any of these needs, whereas Clibu
>is. The days of installing OS specific desktop apps is slowly coming to
>an end and instead we are moving our lives to the cloud. Five or so
>years back I would never have said this and it was never something I
>would have done, but now most of the apps I use day in day out are in
>the cloud and I love it. I’m free from the shackles of being tied to my
>Desktop PC and can do stuff from anywhere and love it. Hence Clibu and
>not Surfulater. In fact I don’t think I’ve used Surfulater on over 2
>years now. As soon as I had the basics of Clibu working I’ve never
>looked back.
> >Neville

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