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What the he** are "contacts"? Chaos Intellect review - and why that prog, too, seems to be up for the bin
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Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Feb 27, 2014 at 05:13 PM
Franz Grieser wrote:
>ROFL
>You made my day, Paulo.
As for me, it is bobmclain comment that had me rolling on the floor, laughing !
bobmclain wrote:
>But it could also be about the Westminster Dog Show. I’m not sure.
Have a great day everyone !
Posted by 22111
Feb 27, 2014 at 06:25 PM
If some readers here intellectually are not able to make up their minds if some author dares to speak about two different but linked subjects in the same article, they better shut up.
So, for the dumbos here, again, as simple as possible:
- The review of sw does not “incite to action” but is a review, i.e. some experience with that sw, and perhaps a recommendation to buy, or a recommendation to discard it from your buying decisions; such a recommendation might be implicit or explicit; here, it went with the invitation to people having more experience with one of the “Chaos” offerings, to bring some arguments “Pluses”, in order to perhaps counterweigh my arguments “Minuses”; instead, you criticize my style: meta communic when arguments fail; so we are at the classic, again.
- Of course, ChI is more Ch than I, but that’s there prob; I had been interested in here-promised experience with that applic, which didn’t came, and so I ended up trialling it for myself, and yes, my look at sw is a that of a critic, not that of a fanboy, so people trying to protect bad sw should always be motivated to share their (probably biased) experience, in order to de-motivate me to do the writing on their behalf; of course, that former alternative be de-constructive for the product in question, and for the industry, globally, since praising sub-standard sw, instead of pointing to their faults, would harm overall development, but I tried to get this point - that bland criticism, when honest, is constructive - to some dumbos here, in the past, with zero success, so I don’t have the slightest hope for being able to pass the message this time
- Also, EVERY time I see some “with due respect” - and that’s another recurrence here -, I then read real dumb blah-blah, no argument: It seems that any time a dumbo wants to speak plain English bec/he’s not happy, he falls for the illusion that “with a due respect” should replace missing arguments.
- Also, the article was info that instead of clearly distinguishing between “contact” (=mail, phone, throwing shit) and “contact” (person), in English, this English “contact” term now even more and more replaces native words like “Gesprächspartner” in other languages like German, where, by this imported “new speak”, it becomes more and more difficult to distinguish between the “Kontakt” = e.g. throwing shit at people from those people you throw shit at (or try to sell to), even in non-English languages which clearly distinguished those objects in the good old days; I also invited you throw in some better terms which we, and developers of sw, then could adopt; I also tried to show why this distinction is mandatory, not only in discussion: In sw, you need different dialogs, list fields, etc. for those, and blurring the vocabulary being the first step into the wrong direction, not grasping the importance of having a good contact history in crm sw, like in ChI, then is a subsidiary effect of not applying the right terms to real life probs, here, grasping you need a list of persons, but for any such person, a list of your communications with that person.
- I never suggested Chaos sw mixes up “contacts” with “contacts”; I just said that the conversation in general mixes up two very different objects, giving them the same name, and that from this starting point, sw developers didn’t see that they at least should clearly distinguish these very different concepts again, but I said this above, and in the post above, and by repeating it again and again, I don’t imagine dumbos will see my point: It’s just that the love for real bad sw must be withheld at all cost, even to the point of negating reality.
Again, if you don’t grasp the interconnection of two related subjects, intellectually, don’t read posts whose author even took the effort to point the reader, by proper titling, to the fact that the post will contain more than the just one basic subject your mind enables you to follow at every given moment.
Posted by 22111
Feb 27, 2014 at 06:33 PM
And besides, it’s ridiculous to create secondary accounts just to aggress people.
And it’s not a new phenomenon here, either.
Posted by tightbeam
Feb 27, 2014 at 07:56 PM
With all due respect, your posts are dense, poorly written jumbles, usually intended to denigrate software or software developers, or to make some esoteric point. It isn’t that I don’t understand what you’re saying - although often I don’t - but that I have no interest in even making the effort. I imagine others feel the same, since most of your posts draw no comments. Why not try to distill your thoughts into just a couple of paragraphs?
If it’s acceptable for you to inflict these posts upon us, I’m sure you won’t begrudge the “dumbos” a bit of fun with them.
(And by the way, this isn’t a “secondary account”. I’ve been here for years.)
Posted by Franz Grieser
Feb 27, 2014 at 08:19 PM
22111 wrote:
>And besides, it’s ridiculous to create secondary accounts just to
>aggress people.
I am afraid you overestimate your role here. Why would anyone in his senses waste his time to create a second account just to make fun of you? We’re straight enough to do this openly.
And: Yes, I know you know me and you know where I live. Fine for you.