I don't really understand the software, but that seems par for the course for me these days, because I don't have time to spend to learn software. Maybe that's why I like my Ipad, with the logo "think less" on the home screen.

I do like UR for capturing web documents. I wish there was an easy way to put my own title of a note when I insert it, usually it is a scientific paper as PDF, and it gets saved as a cryptic number.

Probably there is a way, but I don't know it. It is not that hard to rename the PDF, but it takes time and I rarely do it when I am saving. Also, many times I get, instead of the document I want, a sign in screen. Don't know if there is a way to save a document directly when it is behind a password, but copy and paste would work, but there is the time and attention problem again.

Is there an advantage to 5.1? I have windoze 7 machines. I was sure there would be a ton of stuff here, but I didn't find much new when I searched. I did find some cynicism about the upgrade to UR 4 though.

Cheers.

If your main requirement is to capture web pages and organise PDFs, then I'm not sure UR is the best choice out there, especially given the problems you cite. Surfulater doesn't have those problems. RightNote is another one that is often discussed here, and there are other options such as TreeProjects, Local Website Archive etc. Though not all of them might be equally good with PDFs.

Most of these do come up on Bits du Jour regularly at significant discounts.

There is not that much new in 5.1 from the newbie point of view:
http://www.kinook.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=20381

I'd say it's only worth if you are planning to use more UR features (there are many many, one of the most customisable soft of this sort, IMO).

For your questions, you can easily rename ... F2
If the pdf doc already has a name, UR can automatically name the item, select option|import more|"use document title for item if available"
You can also "program" item title automatically based on item attributes, e.g. based on date, author, title ... check UR help for example

For all your UR questions, the best is to post it to http://www.kinook.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=22

Magenda wrote:

I don't really understand the software, but that seems par for the
course for me these days, because I don't have time to spend to learn
software. Maybe that's why I like my Ipad, with the logo "think less"
on the home screen.

I do like UR for capturing web documents. I wish there was an easy way
to put my own title of a note when I insert it, usually it is a
scientific paper as PDF, and it gets saved as a cryptic number.

Probably there is a way, but I don't know it. It is not that hard to
rename the PDF, but it takes time and I rarely do it when I am saving.
Also, many times I get, instead of the document I want, a sign in
screen. Don't know if there is a way to save a document directly when
it is behind a password, but copy and paste would work, but there is the
time and attention problem again.

Is there an advantage to 5.1? I have windoze 7 machines. I was sure
there would be a ton of stuff here, but I didn't find much new when I
searched. I did find some cynicism about the upgrade to UR 4 though.

Cheers.

Obviously, I forgot the version 5 features:
http://www.kinook.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=5011

From the recurrence, here, of the " how to best manage external pdf's " prob, I deduct that's the most widely spread impulse to look out for an outliner, and I deduct two other things from it:

- Outliner developers really should have a very narrow look at the possible "pdf capabilities" of their respective offering.

- It becomes more and more tiring to endlessly read posts here like the short overview above, without end, since whilst everything Andus' saying there, it has been repeated a hundred times or so. (On the other hand, quant's expertise on UR, always available on that prog on their forum, is one of the big pro's for using that prog, over some competing ones.)

I had tried to start a really instructive discussion on that matter here, some time ago, where users would have shared their individual, comparative-at-best, experience of pdf "rendering" in various outliners, and also in various "pdf processors" (called "editors", "viewers", see those threads), and in various desktop search engines, all of very different quality in showing up results ( ' completenesss, etc. ).

In other words, in order for this forum to be constructive, there should be some "progress in discussion", at least (if we cannot force that much "progress in development", that is), and without recurring, ever and ever again, to insufficient "standards" (we could have spiced up a long time ago, with much more specific info, by common efforts).

As for the prob in question, in view of the above, I'd stay with UR for the time being, and try to solve the current probs there, with the kind help of quant, of the developer and of other forum members over there, AND I'd look into the DC AHK for beginners tutorial, in order to spice up, if necessary, the import, a little bit (and of course, I'm save to assume quant didn't mean you should completely rename the pdf's imported into UR, but just ADD some standardized info to their original names (which of course should be preserved in any case).

It's also fair to assume there currently isn't any "better" "outliner solution" to pdf M than UR (which doesn't necessarily mean it being "unparallelled").

But there is a chance both a higher-priced Nuance pdf tool will do it even better, or then, perhaps, X1. Why not trial all three (with the same, some easy, some "difficult", pdf's), and then share your comparative experience? ;-)

"saying there" > "saying there being true"
Sorry for the omission.

maybe I should have mentioned, for what it's worth, I don't use UR for pdf (or any other) file management of any sort. I use UR only for critical information (my extended brain :) ), anything else stays away from it.

For pdf -> everything (instant file search) -> dtsearch (indexed search) -> pdf-xchange (highlights used for UR file preprocessing + notes with keywords) -> apdf comments collector (for collecting also those highlights in one file with links to pages in pdf)

quant, would you be so kind as to further develop your choice, re UR? Your experience could be of great value to us.

As for dtSearch, because of its - former - price of some 250 euro (or dollars? but I think it was euro..., I highly praise it: I once trialled it extensively, and yes, it's the very best of the best, that's for sure!), it is / was out of reach for many users; my mention of X1 was in light of it probably being the "second best choice".

I checked the price again now, and it's 199 dollars (plus VAT in Europe) - well, that's MUCH cheaper than the dtSearch price I remember from having looked again at it perhaps 1 year ago, so dtSearch BECOMES INTO REACH NOW - that's VERY GOOD NEWS!

Thus, the original poster (or any other contributor to this forum who isn't stuck, like me, to not being able to trial sw at the moment, because his Outlook use prevents him from making an image of his system, and then, after 2 weeks, reinstall the image) should indeed trial all these: UR, Nuance, X1 (as an alternative with negligeable cost), and dtSearch (which, in my trial, proved SO MUCH SUPERIOR to anything else), and then report.

This being said, further development of your comparative experience with both UR and dtSearch re pdf (and anything else) would be SO welcome, quant! Thank you so much for sharing, in case!