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Posted by Daly de Gagne
Jan 26, 2014 at 07:59 PM
Thanks Doctor Andus for the reference to Christian’s blog. I’m familiar with the history of Zettelkasten from reading Dr. Kuhn’s blog. The approach appeals to me, even to the point of doing it the old fashioned way - longhand and on index cards. Gradually I’ve been learning to implement it in my own haphazard way.
Christian’s discussion of Zettelkasten on a few of his posts which I have just read is both helpful and encouraging.
I appreciate the recognition that the process is not simply a means to a specific, predefined output, but also is an end in itself or, rather, a means to other ends which reveal themselves in the interaction or conversation with the Zettelkasen over time and as a function of the growing store of information.
Daly
Dr Andus wrote:
MenAgerie wrote:
>>I had not noticed the ‘outlining’ function
>>before (here called a ‘category list’)
>
>Glad to hear it works for you.
>
>It sounds like you’re on Windows, but people with an interest in
>Zettelkasten software on the Mac might be interested in this
>alpha-testing opportunity of what sounds to me like a possible new
>Zettelkasten software:
>http://christiantietze.de/posts/2014/01/need-alpha-testers/
>
>Unfortunately the developer is a bit light on detail, but he’s been
>covering the Zettelkasten method on his blog for a wile:
>http://christiantietze.de/posts/tags/zettelkasten/
>
Posted by 22111
Jan 27, 2014 at 04:31 PM
Daly wrote,
“I appreciate the recognition that the process is not simply a means to a specific, predefined output, but also is an end in itself” - that’s exactly my point in discussing outlining vs. tagging: in the former, the same benefit (or even much more), whilst being absent in the latter. And of course, by “end in itself”, we don’t mean “deliberate fussing around”, but sort of “precomining and presorting, in order to get better results, better output, when we access it again to produce output”.
Thus, “end in itself” is just a little simplification-in-terms, but we want to express, and agree such pre(liminary)-work (which is not available in tagging, e.g.) is highly constructive FOR (and in) the ultimate output later on.
;-)
Posted by Christian Tietze
Feb 14, 2014 at 05:05 PM
Hi!
Dr Andus wrote:
>It sounds like you’re on Windows, but people with an interest in
>Zettelkasten software on the Mac might be interested in this
>alpha-testing opportunity of what sounds to me like a possible new
>Zettelkasten software:
>http://christiantietze.de/posts/2014/01/need-alpha-testers/
>
>Unfortunately the developer is a bit light on detail, but he’s been
>covering the Zettelkasten method on his blog for a wile:
>http://christiantietze.de/posts/tags/zettelkasten/
Sorry I have to disappoint you: the tool I’m working on is a productivity tool for writers. It’s not the Zettelkasten application itself. For that, I need way more time. I still recommend nvALT on the Mac. On Windows, ResophNotes comes closest. There’s a NotationalVelocity VIM Plugin for the extra geeky among you, too, which makes you platform independent:
http://cwoac.github.io/nvim/about.html
Anyway, thanks for caring about development. It means a lot to me!
—Christian
Posted by Dr Andus
Feb 15, 2014 at 11:05 AM
Christian Tietze wrote:
>Sorry I have to disappoint you: the tool I’m working on is a
>productivity tool for writers. It’s not the Zettelkasten application
>itself. For that, I need way more time. I still recommend nvALT on the
>Mac. On Windows, ResophNotes comes closest. There’s a
>NotationalVelocity VIM Plugin for the extra geeky among you, too, which
>makes you platform independent:
>http://cwoac.github.io/nvim/about.html
Hi Christian - welcome to the forum. Thanks for the clarification and for the suggestions. Please do let us know once your tool is available.
Posted by 22111
Feb 15, 2014 at 02:53 PM
Christian,
you give url’s of third parties, I’ll yours here: christiantietze.de - don’t be that modest!
Everybody, please, bear in mind that Luhmann’s Zettelkasten (Chris, could you rectify this thread’s awful title, please, manually? ;-) “Zettelkaten” is so awful, it’s a slap in the face, every time!) was created BEFORE pc time, so “120% purity considerations” should NOT guide as, nor should they too narrowly guide any developer of any “Zettelkasten” sw “rendering”.
In other words, Luhmann’s “choices” often simply were triggered by the inherent limitations of a physical index card system - he probably would have been so happy to overcome them and replace them with something more adequate both to IMS, and to thinking-about-what-you’ve-got-within-your-IMS-of-then.
As the Germans say, don’t be more papal than the Pope itself is… especially if you’ve got good reason to assume the Pope wasn’t even free in his decisions. ;-)
( This being said, I’d be happy, too, if you shared some thoughts about IMS here, for possible discussion, be it before, or after implemention into your sw. )