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Posted by WSP
Dec 22, 2013 at 07:22 PM
Well, the only reasonable conclusion is that we had completely different experiences. I have been an extremely heavy user of MyInfo for a number of years, and I did not encounter most of the problems you describe.
My impression of Petko is that he is very slow and cautious. I certainly don’t think he is being unfair to his customers, as you seem to imply. He just seems to proceed at a deliberate pace. I was aware of that, and I took it into account when I began using his program. On the other hand, I’ve always found him unusually reliable and helpful.
It’s fair enough to say that MyInfo didn’t meet your needs, but I don’t understand why you would choose to attack the motives or character of a developer.
Bill
Posted by 22111
Dec 22, 2013 at 09:55 PM
Bill, Professor,
You’re wrong here,
“My impression of Petko is that he is very slow and cautious.”
Right, and I certainly don’t want to give the impression MI’s bad, the opposite is true, in our current context.
“I certainly don’t think he is being unfair to his customers, as you seem to imply.”
Wrong, I just, by some sort of “lightness of my heart”, continue to mention things that are both true and should not have been done the way they were done; I could also have mentioned that in the help file of MI - which made me decide to BUY MI, and third-parties must know that the MI trial is crippled, and does not let you trial those functions; you must will know about it when you buy, not in the trial period - pretended much more export functionality than the prof. version really had, and has - and the developer then said he would introduce this missing functionality soon, and now, 3 years later, nothing has been done with that. If I imply something, it’s just a “Mediterranian stance”, nothing more; I’m not calling him a liar, neither a crook or something, it’s just that I state FACTS here, and would have proceeded in a quite different way, and again, very early v5 versions were then “updated” into JUST BETAS coming to an end soon, instead of them being the usual “minor upgrades” we all expect to be included within the price of the paid “major version”. THESE ARE FACTS, and I could PROVE them anytime, including the missing export features which could not be trialled before buying.
“He just seems to proceed at a deliberate pace. I was aware of that, and I took it into account when I began using his program. On the other hand, I’ve always found him unusually reliable and helpful.” - In spite of the provable facts above, I consider “Petko” a reliable and honest man, but let’s face it, in the past, with any update eliminating notified bugs, there were lots of new bugs, and this seems to indicate his “sw engineering” is quite bad - mine was terrible, 15 years ago, but I would certainly not replicate such a chaos anymore.
“It’s fair enough to say that MyInfo didn’t meet your needs, but I don’t understand why you would choose to attack the motives or character of a developer.” - As said, I can PROVE what I say (and this also concerns the lost data, respectively the horrible notifications I got in those instances.
Professor, let me make this very clear, I’m an expert in these things, and I don’t allow anybody to imply I’m a liar (except for a little bit “cheating” when I got to this forum this third time - and this time I would need to be THROWN out to leave, but then, I don’t have the slightest intention to trigger such a move from its owner). I consider MI as one of the “current leaders of the pack”, since I am not able, currently, to offer you something better, and since most other competitors ain’t in that “second range” (which could get another entry as soon as that South African sw gets clones; Zoot, IQ, TB, CT, TP Business/Enterprise, IS and WhF being all “first-class”, a really ace application missing).
As we all know, whenever a certain 1-pane outliner is mentioned, Cassius intervenes and says, he lost data with it; this can be retrieved 6 or perhaps 8 times now. Instead of criticising Cassius for this, I took his stance as my model, if you want: In fact, in both cases, the respective developer never amended our respective (and provable) point of interest: MI did never some “minor updating within v5” but forces you to pay for 6 or to live with shaggy early-5 (not mentioning its wrong export claims), and Cassius’ 1-pane outliner never got beyond the state where anybody could lose data anytime, for the same reason Cassius correctly states.
So we both are right in reminding those points, since our respective “contracting party” (note I’m not speaking of “adversary” or such here) did not fulfill their respective duty (since our respective points were notified to them in due time, years ago, before our addressing the “public” with our respective “cause”).
Did it ever occur to you, Professor, that in both cases, we’d be perfectly happy that the respective developers just followed our “public advice”? And yes, there should be a version 2.a of Cassius’ 1-pane outliner, not for further developing, but which finally would have left out the major bugs, and yes, there should have been an MI 5.9 version, i.e. the latest “5 beta”, ___for paying 5 customers___, and without the bugs of early 5 versions, as in their latest “5 beta” then.
I’m perfectly aware that there are people of different kind, those that “dont’ forget and want things being straigthened out”, and those like you, Professor, who say, “let’s look forward (only)” - both stances are perfectly reasonable, but advocates of both have to accept that the other stance is legitimate, too.
Or put it in other words, we “why you always didn’t fulfill this obligation” advocates may become a little bit “vieux jeu”, with those years passing, but that doesn’t make our stance wrong. And as InfoSelect proves, you could perfectly give a 5.9 to any buyer of 5, instead of forcing him to live with buggy 5.1 or such, and yes, the owner of NoteMap has plenty of money to get rid of the bugs in v.2, even though he’s not interested in developing it any further.
Professor, let’s remain perfectly constructive. I’d like to have left the perfect outliner to this world when I’ll die, and Mr. “Petko” is not the kind of people who’s striving for such a claim, which does not make him “unfair” or such, it’s just that some people, to which I belong, are quite overscrupulous, and makes them “different” from the “in some cases, 2+2 should be considered 5” kind, and I know this produces so-called “stress” “on both sides”, but then, we all know, the IM dilemma has never been solved - that’s why we’re crimping.
Please, Professor, try to argument whenever you think I’m (partially or entirely) wrong, I promise no honest argument (bad or on-the-spot) will ever be lost in my search for outliner-perfect.
I’m aware that sometimes I’m a little bit “snappy” when 50 or 80 lines of serious development are meant to be buries by a simple “well, that’s old” or “well, that might not be true”, but then, that’s not constructive; I’d never contradict an argument that makes me think again… but then, in discussion, it’s OUR duty to make think the participant whom we deem wrong.
“Petko”, ever, has chosen the “easy way” for any real problem (just one example, what I told him about the necessary “super tree”, and then his poor “workspace solution”, even crappy ActionOutline has got that), and that will not make him a “solutioner” for any real problem, but don’t take me wrong:
I repeat what I always said: His “deep-linking” into paragraphs is outstanding and unparalleld.
Just don’t get into meta communication simili-facts when people relate facts; hiding the latter will not advance our common cause.
Posted by 22111
Dec 22, 2013 at 10:04 PM
“Barney”, on DC, 3 days ago: “For the first query, I’ve tried MyBase, EssentialPIM, amongst others. Don’t remember all of ‘em anymore. None were really bad, just not good enough huh.”
That says it all. Again, before I die, I would like to offer something better than I devised 15 years ago, and something better than those coders give us today. And I would need any help in thinking about this anybody here could contribute, and then it’ll be a pleasure for me to spend some 50.000 $ or more on any coding task I’m unable to deliver myself in the creation of such ace sw.
Posted by WSP
Dec 22, 2013 at 10:51 PM
I’m sure the others here are bored by this disagreement between us. Let’s just conclude by saying that we see MyInfo differently.
Bill (no longer a professor, incidentally)
Posted by 22111
Dec 23, 2013 at 02:15 PM
http://funnyexam.com/answers/popular/1649-the-date-is-4-20-thumbs
(Note the date)
;-)