FileLocator is missing a very important feature
Started by 22111
on 10/24/2013
22111
10/24/2013 5:43 pm
On this page
http://www.mythicsoft.com/filelocatorpro
you will find a lot of fine very features of FL Pro; it's MUCH better than their light version, FL Light (also called "Agent Ransack").
But one feature, of which the coding would have been SO EASY, is missing: "Search (again) within the search results".
It has got regex, it has got Boolean, it's really a very good thing. But since it doesn't build up any index but "searches from start", for every search command, it would be so extremely helpful for FL to be able to restrain the search for an additional search to those files it already listed for the previous search: If your first search brought you 40 or 60 files, very often you'll be able to restrain your search by adding an additional search term, and then, FL Pro will start a whole new search again over all the files you will have included into your very first search, meaning this additional search will again take several minutes - instead of just seaching within the results your "first" search brought to you.
As said, the coding of this would be VERY easy, and it goes without saying that I brouht this to the attention of the developer, so we might expect this feature rather soon, and under this condition, I very much recommend buying FL Pro.
http://www.mythicsoft.com/filelocatorpro
you will find a lot of fine very features of FL Pro; it's MUCH better than their light version, FL Light (also called "Agent Ransack").
But one feature, of which the coding would have been SO EASY, is missing: "Search (again) within the search results".
It has got regex, it has got Boolean, it's really a very good thing. But since it doesn't build up any index but "searches from start", for every search command, it would be so extremely helpful for FL to be able to restrain the search for an additional search to those files it already listed for the previous search: If your first search brought you 40 or 60 files, very often you'll be able to restrain your search by adding an additional search term, and then, FL Pro will start a whole new search again over all the files you will have included into your very first search, meaning this additional search will again take several minutes - instead of just seaching within the results your "first" search brought to you.
As said, the coding of this would be VERY easy, and it goes without saying that I brouht this to the attention of the developer, so we might expect this feature rather soon, and under this condition, I very much recommend buying FL Pro.
Cassius
10/24/2013 8:59 pm
If you are just searching for a file or folder, I highly recommend the FREE "MasterSeeker." The first time you use it, it creates a cache. If you put it in startup (and a shortcut in, say, the System Tray), then it "remembers" the cache and you only have to refresh it if you add or delete files or folders or change their names or locations. Once the cache is set, searches are instantaneous!
22111
10/24/2013 9:58 pm
Thank you, Cassius! Re Listary, I ended up disabling it since even when I tried to just have it active for some file managers, not others, it went into my way everywhere... but it includes the free "Everywhere", lately, so installing just "Everywhere" should perhaps be a good idea... or then, MasterSeeker (master-seeker.com ) I hadn't been aware of before!
But I mentioned FileLocator since it's the "thing in the middle", between index-based desktop search engines (of which the very best is without any doubt dtSearch, costs a fortune but really is brilliant, does so much more than any other! (just trialled it, but one day, I'll buy it!)), and those very specific "search files by parts of their names" tools.
It doesn't build up an index, so a search, on my system, is about 2 or 3 minutes for about 3 giga of data (I just run it in specific folders/subfolders), but then displays a list, similar to outliners, not in tree form, but left pane = file with the "find", and right pane = all the lines in which the found term then is listed, for the respective, selected file in the left pane.
I like this VERY much, and many people rave about this program, and I was tempted to finally buy it, but then, I discovered it cannot search, again, within those files only it has already found within your previous search, and this means, if you must have it search within 3 giga or 10 giga of files, it will start all over again, when in fact, by coding time of perhaps 4 or 5 hours incl. debugging, it should be able to confine this second search, upon request, on just those files already listed within the left pane (and this would mean it must perhaps search again 300 or 500 MB, not 3 or 10 giga of data).
And since coding of this additional feature would be so easy, so quickly done, I hope to create some "publicity", also some light "pressure", on the developer to do this - and in fact I'd be very happy to buy then, since I often use the "light", free version.
It goes without saying that for an index-driven desktop search engine, this "search in previouus results" feature is less important, since results would appear almost instantly in both cases - but FL is the search tool which, by its conception, would immensely profit from this "search in search" functionality... or its user, to be precise.
(This functionality is needed whenever you don't have just 12 files listed in the left pane, but 60 or 80 - then it's time to refine your search. Of course, whenever you see the left pane is filled up too quickly, you can abort the running search and refine the next one immediately... but this implies your checking the tool visually while it's running. I sometimes wondered if I better bought an index-based search tool... and here, the better solution would indeed be to enhance FL.)
But I mentioned FileLocator since it's the "thing in the middle", between index-based desktop search engines (of which the very best is without any doubt dtSearch, costs a fortune but really is brilliant, does so much more than any other! (just trialled it, but one day, I'll buy it!)), and those very specific "search files by parts of their names" tools.
It doesn't build up an index, so a search, on my system, is about 2 or 3 minutes for about 3 giga of data (I just run it in specific folders/subfolders), but then displays a list, similar to outliners, not in tree form, but left pane = file with the "find", and right pane = all the lines in which the found term then is listed, for the respective, selected file in the left pane.
I like this VERY much, and many people rave about this program, and I was tempted to finally buy it, but then, I discovered it cannot search, again, within those files only it has already found within your previous search, and this means, if you must have it search within 3 giga or 10 giga of files, it will start all over again, when in fact, by coding time of perhaps 4 or 5 hours incl. debugging, it should be able to confine this second search, upon request, on just those files already listed within the left pane (and this would mean it must perhaps search again 300 or 500 MB, not 3 or 10 giga of data).
And since coding of this additional feature would be so easy, so quickly done, I hope to create some "publicity", also some light "pressure", on the developer to do this - and in fact I'd be very happy to buy then, since I often use the "light", free version.
It goes without saying that for an index-driven desktop search engine, this "search in previouus results" feature is less important, since results would appear almost instantly in both cases - but FL is the search tool which, by its conception, would immensely profit from this "search in search" functionality... or its user, to be precise.
(This functionality is needed whenever you don't have just 12 files listed in the left pane, but 60 or 80 - then it's time to refine your search. Of course, whenever you see the left pane is filled up too quickly, you can abort the running search and refine the next one immediately... but this implies your checking the tool visually while it's running. I sometimes wondered if I better bought an index-based search tool... and here, the better solution would indeed be to enhance FL.)
xtabber
10/25/2013 2:46 am
Version 7 of FileLocator Pro, which was released less than a month ago, introduces Mythicsoft calls Document Caching:
While FileLocator Pro’s multi-thread searching algorithms are lightning
fast they can still be slowed by the need to convert large documents
into text every time they’re searched. Version 7 introduces a new
Document Caching functionality that allows FileLocator Pro to store
converted text in a caching database for use in subsequent searches.
This worked so well for one our beta testers, where search times over
26,000 PDFs went from over 5 minutes down to just 10 seconds, that they
were able to use cached searches instead of going with an indexed search
solution (avoiding with all the headaches associated with indexing).
While FileLocator Pro’s multi-thread searching algorithms are lightning
fast they can still be slowed by the need to convert large documents
into text every time they’re searched. Version 7 introduces a new
Document Caching functionality that allows FileLocator Pro to store
converted text in a caching database for use in subsequent searches.
This worked so well for one our beta testers, where search times over
26,000 PDFs went from over 5 minutes down to just 10 seconds, that they
were able to use cached searches instead of going with an indexed search
solution (avoiding with all the headaches associated with indexing).
Cassius
10/25/2013 4:48 am
Thanks xtabber!
I once used File Locator Pro...in fact, I probably was among the first users. I stopped using it when many PIMs started compressing their files and/or had file formats that made it difficult/impossible for FLP to show the results in a recognizable form. I'll have to try v. 7.
I once used File Locator Pro...in fact, I probably was among the first users. I stopped using it when many PIMs started compressing their files and/or had file formats that made it difficult/impossible for FLP to show the results in a recognizable form. I'll have to try v. 7.
22111
10/25/2013 7:26 pm
Kudos for the marketing speak:
"Version 7 introduces a new DOCUMENT CACHING functionality that allows FileLocator Pro to store converted text in a caching database for use in subsequent searches. This worked so well for one our beta testers, where search times over 26,000 PDFs went from over 5 minutes down to just 10 seconds, that they were able to use CACHED SEARCHES instead of going with an indexed search solution (avoiding with all the headaches associated with indexing)."
So what is it, cached documents, or cached searches? WHAT is cached here? And are we speaking gigabytes of cached material? Where's the advantage over indexes if we cache gigabytes of data? And what about continuing to work on those original files: Is the cache updated again and again then? So much for "all the headaches associated with indexing" - why introduce those to FL, too? As said, search in search results is a very simple and easy solution, without headaches.
Another tool for the waste bin.
"Version 7 introduces a new DOCUMENT CACHING functionality that allows FileLocator Pro to store converted text in a caching database for use in subsequent searches. This worked so well for one our beta testers, where search times over 26,000 PDFs went from over 5 minutes down to just 10 seconds, that they were able to use CACHED SEARCHES instead of going with an indexed search solution (avoiding with all the headaches associated with indexing)."
So what is it, cached documents, or cached searches? WHAT is cached here? And are we speaking gigabytes of cached material? Where's the advantage over indexes if we cache gigabytes of data? And what about continuing to work on those original files: Is the cache updated again and again then? So much for "all the headaches associated with indexing" - why introduce those to FL, too? As said, search in search results is a very simple and easy solution, without headaches.
Another tool for the waste bin.
Gorski
10/26/2013 12:53 pm
I wouldn't use MasterSeeker for this reason alone:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151618684629185&set=a.10151349444109185.494401.254628319184&type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151618684629185&set=a.10151349444109185.494401.254628319184&type=1&theater
Cassius
10/27/2013 5:24 am
Mark wrote:
My hard drive has over 100GB of files that MasterSeeker took 38 seconds to cache. Thereafter, file/folder searches were INSTANTANEOUS.
I wouldn't use MasterSeeker for this reason alone:========================================================
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151618684629185&set=a.10151349444109185.494401.254628319184&type=1&theater
My hard drive has over 100GB of files that MasterSeeker took 38 seconds to cache. Thereafter, file/folder searches were INSTANTANEOUS.
Carrot
10/28/2013 10:25 am
Is that really the Facebook page for MasterSeeker?
If so, its extremely inappropriate and offensive.
I will do my best to spread the word to boycott this software on that basis alone.
If so, its extremely inappropriate and offensive.
I will do my best to spread the word to boycott this software on that basis alone.
Cassius
10/28/2013 3:05 pm
Carrot wrote:
Irrespective of the Facebook page,...
So don't use it Carrot. It's your loss.
Is that really the Facebook page for MasterSeeker?===============================================================
If so, its extremely inappropriate and offensive.
I will do my best to spread the word to boycott this software on that
basis alone.
Irrespective of the Facebook page,...
So don't use it Carrot. It's your loss.
jimspoon
10/28/2013 4:38 pm
For what it's worth, the Master-Seeker programmer is a 33 year old from Belgium, and the alternate Master-Seeker website is in Hebrew. Are sensibilities different over there perhaps - just asking? He says he programs "for fun". Master-Seeker is free and if you use it, you're not putting any money in his pocket.
Gorski
10/28/2013 7:02 pm
Is that really the Facebook page for MasterSeeker?
There's a link to that Facebook page from the home page for the software, so presumably so.
Are sensibilities different over there perhaps - just asking?
I'd be surprised if the implication of that Facebook "ad" is any different "over there" than in the U.S., where I live. If the author does have a Jewish background, that would only make it more pathetic.
22111
10/28/2013 8:09 pm
"For what it’s worth, the Master-Seeker programmer is a 33 year old from Belgium, and the alternate Master-Seeker website is in Hebrew."
OMG! I have to admit I laughed out loud when I saw the FB ad, and even now, again, when I just think of that photo, and I could of course give some information about pc in Europe, and also about which way "color" or other (for the time being) "minority" issues here are treated, but this is a very sensitive subject where facts and acceptable speech even more divert than in the outliner world, so I won't touch this.
Just let me say that many people are able to savour a real good joke even if on a blatant first-degree level, it's on "them"/their respective "group"... but if then, it's a real good one, and real good this one certainly is! (Of course, Frau Alice "Emma" Schwarzer (no pun intended, that's just her name) would vigorously deny this fact, as would Andrea Dworkin, were she alive.)
OMG! I have to admit I laughed out loud when I saw the FB ad, and even now, again, when I just think of that photo, and I could of course give some information about pc in Europe, and also about which way "color" or other (for the time being) "minority" issues here are treated, but this is a very sensitive subject where facts and acceptable speech even more divert than in the outliner world, so I won't touch this.
Just let me say that many people are able to savour a real good joke even if on a blatant first-degree level, it's on "them"/their respective "group"... but if then, it's a real good one, and real good this one certainly is! (Of course, Frau Alice "Emma" Schwarzer (no pun intended, that's just her name) would vigorously deny this fact, as would Andrea Dworkin, were she alive.)
Dr Andus
10/28/2013 9:46 pm
Mark wrote:
It's "Sweet Brown" (aka Kimberly Wilkins), who has become an Internet meme. She has over 32 million views on Youtube and apparently she's suing Apple for $15 million for copyright infringement, after her news interview was remixed as a song and sold on iTunes.
The joke seems to be about her way of expression, which seems to be partly a function of her social class, cultural background, race, and her personality. I guess people can decide for themselves whether they find her interview funny; though it's clearly a loaded issue, and you could ask yourself what you are laughing at exactly...
As for the MasterSeeker guy, he seems to have jumped on the meme bandwagon, as millions of others. Ms. Wilkins's lawyers may soon be in touch with him... :)
I wouldn't use MasterSeeker for this reason alone:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151618684629185&set=a.10151349444109185.494401.254628319184&type=1&theater
It's "Sweet Brown" (aka Kimberly Wilkins), who has become an Internet meme. She has over 32 million views on Youtube and apparently she's suing Apple for $15 million for copyright infringement, after her news interview was remixed as a song and sold on iTunes.
The joke seems to be about her way of expression, which seems to be partly a function of her social class, cultural background, race, and her personality. I guess people can decide for themselves whether they find her interview funny; though it's clearly a loaded issue, and you could ask yourself what you are laughing at exactly...
As for the MasterSeeker guy, he seems to have jumped on the meme bandwagon, as millions of others. Ms. Wilkins's lawyers may soon be in touch with him... :)
Gorski
10/29/2013 1:36 am
it’s clearly a loaded issue, and you could ask yourself what you are laughing at exactly…
Indeed. I was ignorant of the meme. I don't think it's too hard to figure out what's driving it or the similar one with Charles Ramsey, at least for some.
22111
1/23/2014 2:29 pm
Since this topic degenerated into something highly politically incorrect anyway, I'd like to share a hilarious OT finding which made again (as the black lady seeking a master that is) laugh me for several minutes convulsively (and indeed it's the best piece of comedy I have read in a very long time).
I had been looking for a hint what might alternative reasons to paper curved within the photocopier, and so I got to "Yahoo Clever" which in fact is one of the most idiotic sites in the web, and there a link got my attention, and I followed it.
Now the cold water, the text there isn't a treat but for people who will have had more than 3 years of Germans in school, so if that is not your case, I'm very sorry but you could perhaps profit from the video there, a classic (and classy) performance of Hape Kerkeling, the renowned and immortal Queen Beatrix impersonator. Have fun:
http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140122055340AAZi6IZ
I had been looking for a hint what might alternative reasons to paper curved within the photocopier, and so I got to "Yahoo Clever" which in fact is one of the most idiotic sites in the web, and there a link got my attention, and I followed it.
Now the cold water, the text there isn't a treat but for people who will have had more than 3 years of Germans in school, so if that is not your case, I'm very sorry but you could perhaps profit from the video there, a classic (and classy) performance of Hape Kerkeling, the renowned and immortal Queen Beatrix impersonator. Have fun:
http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140122055340AAZi6IZ
22111
1/23/2014 2:32 pm
I'm very sorry, "more than 3 years of Germans in school" isn't that bad either, I must have had "more than 3 years old Germans in school" in mind. Delete the "s", please.