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two-pane outliner that can show more than one note at a time in the viewer/editor pane?
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Posted by Dr Andus
Oct 19, 2013 at 11:56 PM
jimspoon wrote:
>This is where filtering comes in. In both Ecco and Infoqube, each item
>can have any number of user-defined data fields attached to it.
> So, you are only
>seeing a subset of all the items you have in your database.
Aren’t we talking about tagging every piece of data/outline item then? The problem is that tagging everything is time-consuming and not necessarily worth it (or I’m just lazy… Maybe that’s why I’m not an Evernote guy…;)
There seem to be to different types of need here: 1) how to capture, store, and find notes. And 2) how best to use selected notes for outlining and writing. I don’t think it’s necessary to do this all in one software.
Posted by 22111
Oct 20, 2013 at 09:09 AM
“The problem is that tagging everything is time-consuming and not necessarily worth it”
That’s why some applications try to (half-) automate the tagging process, for example RightNote, even when RN’s way of doing does not seem to be that smart to me (the children can get, as tag, the title of the common parent, which means that often, you would have to rename the common parent into something adequate for a tag, trigger the children tagging command, then rename the common parent again: in most cases, it would be better to assign a common tag, or in practice, to assign ONE of the tags the parent items has got already, to the children, too.
“There seem to be t[w]o different types of need here: 1) how to capture, store, and find notes. And 2) how best to use selected notes for outlining and writing. I don’t think it’s necessary to do this all in one software.”
This is only an excuse for permitting laziness to developers, and for crimping. In fact, ONE program should permit GOOD storage functionality, AND good editing/grouping/evaluation/use of stored data, all the more so since for most of such combinations of several programs, all such fiddling around will transfer your data in ONE direction only, but not in both directions, or just with lots of additional, “manual” work from the side of the user.
A blatant example of this being EN and then an outliner: I perfectly understand the interest of EN’s capturing capabilities since most outliners do NOT have those. Here, if you use EN as your “inbox” only, then transfer groups of things into your outliner, no problem here since you will not want to transfer them again into EN (where your grouping/sorting efforts made upon this content in the outliner, will be lost again), so this might be a very valid combination, but the above example - “1) how to capture, store, and find notes. And 2) how best to use selected notes for outlining and writing.” is devoid of sense since here, data transfer is supposed to function in both directions, and with most current software, this is not a valid workflow.
As I have explained here some weeks ago with outliner data THEN exported to an “analysis editor” like KEdit, combinations are ok when transfer of data is done just in one direction, and if you can optimize (half-automate, by macro for example) this transfer. But whenever you need your new data again in the former program, such a concept bears lots of unnecessary, additional problems.
Btw, the “add-in” concept, which has been very well realized with Outlook, is a possible solution to such “why pay for additional functionality only some users will really need” problems.
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Oct 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM
FYI :
Version 0.9.26PreRel12 is now available for download and supports multiple editing panes (no limit to the number of panes)
Content is shown in a round-robin fashion. Panes can also be locked on a particular item.
This version also includes a demo of a much improved calendar.
HTH
Pierre
IQ Designer
http://InfoQube.biz/download
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Pierre Paul Landry wrote:
FYI, the next version of InfoQube supports multiple editing panes (this thread inspired me to add this feature)
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>Testing is currently underway, so expect it to be released early next week.
Posted by Dr Andus
Oct 30, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Pierre Paul Landry wrote:
>Version 0.9.26PreRel12 is now available for download and supports
>multiple editing panes (no limit to the number of panes)
>Content is shown in a round-robin fashion. Panes can also be locked on a
>particular item.
Pierre - Thanks for the heads-up. Haven’t played with IQ for a while. Looks like you got a pretty good coverage of different outlining scenarios there. I can’t make it out from the screenshots: is it also possible to do single-pane outlining with inline notes with IQ?
Posted by jimspoon
Oct 31, 2013 at 05:56 AM
dr. andus - we’ll see how Pierre replies on the “inline notes” question, but I think the answer is no. By “inline notes” I think you mean text which is not an item or subitem, but which is rather “attached” to an item, and which may be displayed either in a separate pane or underneath the item to which it is attached. e.g. as in Grandview. But I think in IQ you can only display items and subitems in the grid (outliner or tree) pane. Each item can have HTML content attached to it - but it is displayed in a separate HTML pane - not “inline” in the grid pane. (i suppose he could implement inline notes.)
(The HTML pane has HTML content - it can be edited either in WYSIWYG or source code views.)
Pierre describes the new feature as “multiple html editing panes”. Before we could see the HTML content attached to a single item - the item presently highlighted in the grid, Now with multiple html panes, does the content in each html editing pane come from a different item? How do you go about displaying the HTML content for different items in the multiple HTML panes? I just downloaded the new version so I will soon see.
IQ can certainly be used as a single-pane outliner - you can hide the HTML pane and put your notes in the grid pane (items and subitems) rather than in the HTML pane attached to each item.
i am warming up a litle to infoqube lately - I’ve been put off with the lack of some synchronization features I’d like for use on both desktop and laptops - but last few days I’ve been surprised at how well it’s performing just running the program from an SD card with the databases also on the SD card. So, when I want to work with the data on a different computer, I can close down IQ on one computer, eject the SD card, put into the desired computer, fire up IQ again, etc.