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Posted by dan7000
Sep 29, 2007 at 10:02 PM
I’m a long time ADM user. Over the past year, I tried a lot of alternatives, and I’m finally settled on OneNote. I have found a reliable way to transfer ADM data into OneNote (I’ll post that separately). But I haven’t found a good solution for my UltraRecall data. During my year of looking for an ADM alternative, I used UltraRecall pretty extensively for a few months, and now I have one tree worth of text-only data in there that I’d like to get out.
Export options in Ultrarecall seem to be:
“Documents and item rich text to a folder”—that creates a folder tree in the Win file system, with a single file for each topic. I can’t figure out how to get such a folder hierarchy into OneNote. (If there’s a solution for this, it would be useful for other data too…)
“Text items to a RTF document”—this exports only the currently selected topic, so it’s less useful than the other option.
“export to csv or xml” - these don’t seem to export the item text.
Any help would be appreciated. I’m using OneNote 2007.
Posted by Jan Rifkinson
Sep 30, 2007 at 01:15 AM
Dan, don’t have an answer for you but as a former ADM user & now an UltraRecall user, wondering why you are shifting to OneNote. Thanks for any comments or advice.
Posted by dan7000
Sep 30, 2007 at 01:55 AM
Hi Jan,
Well, I really need a consistent way to store formatted docs and web pages AND notes AND link it all together. And I want to be able to create topics and notes of any length, without worrying about using the mouse or having to create new topics like in Ultrarecall.
I prefer a heirarchical outline like ADM, but with unlimited text in the topic titles unlike Ultrarecall.
OneNote is not set up hierarchically, but it can easily create links between topics, and I can easily create a table of contents with lots of links. I basically use it like a wiki - but unlike most wikis there’s not an “edit” and “preview” mode - it’s always wysiwyg. A create lots of links between everything, and table of contents pages using the outline feature.
And that’s what really sold me - they actually have a usable outliner in OneNote 2007. You create an outline in one page of text, just like in Word. BUT the outline topics are collapsable (“foldable” was used here recently) AND unlike in old versions of Word, you can drag outline topics easily (with their children) to some other place in the outline. The outline keeps its formatting, unlike ADM, and can contain hyperlinks to onenote pages, web addresses or files. So in that way, it’s superior to any outliner I’ve used.
personally, I’d still prefer ADM, but I’m getting used to OneNote and I may end up liking it even better.
Here’s how I converted ADM to OneNote if you’re interested:
1. export adm outline to “HTML with CSS”.
2. Edit the html file - change the STYLE headings so that each level is indented at least 40 pixels more than the last. For instance, copy the following over the paragraph stiles .rvps2 through .rvps7:
———————————————————————
.rvps2
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
}
.rvps3
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px;
}
.rvps4
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 80px;
}
.rvps5
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 120px;
}
.rvps6
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 160px;
}
.rvps7
{
margin: 0px 0px 0px 200px;
}———————————————————————————
3. Now open the html file in word. Select all, copy, and paste into OneNote.
4. In OneNote, turn on the “outlining” toolbar.
5. On the outlining toolbar, select “collapse” to level 4. Then to level 3. Then to level 2.
6. Finally, collapse all.
I do step 5 because OneNote remembers whether the children of a topic were previously collapsed or not. So if you just collapse all to level 1 initially, the next time you open up a topic, it will expand all - because that topic was previously expanded to all. I’d rather have all my topics open just to the next level when I expand them. (hope that’s clear enough).
Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Sep 30, 2007 at 03:18 AM
I don’t think there’s an easy way. As far as I know, there are only two ways to import into OneNote—the OneNote printer and paste. Printing is a slow process, so if I were faced with your task, I would use a clip manager to copy and paste. Tedious, but easier if you use a clip manager with a power paste or sequence paste function—ClipMate 7, ClipCache Pro 3, or (if your only care about plaint text) AceText.
dan7000 wrote:
>I’m a long time ADM user. Over the past year, I tried a lot of alternatives, and I’m
>finally settled on OneNote. I have found a reliable way to transfer ADM data into
>OneNote (I’ll post that separately). But I haven’t found a good solution for my
>UltraRecall data. During my year of looking for an ADM alternative, I used
>UltraRecall pretty extensively for a few months, and now I have one tree worth of
>text-only data in there that I’d like to get out.
>
>Export options in Ultrarecall seem
>to be:
>
>“Documents and item rich text to a folder”—that creates a folder tree in the
>Win file system, with a single file for each topic. I can’t figure out how to get such a
>folder hierarchy into OneNote. (If there’s a solution for this, it would be useful for
>other data too…)
>
>“Text items to a RTF document”—this exports only the currently
>selected topic, so it’s less useful than the other option.
>
>“export to csv or xml” -
>these don’t seem to export the item text.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. I’m using
>OneNote 2007.
Posted by Jan Rifkinson
Sep 30, 2007 at 02:29 PM
Dan, Thanks for taking the time to write such a comprehensive response to my question. I thoroughly understand your points. But after reading your post I’m wondering whether SQLnotes is worth a look. It’s modeled after Eccopro. It’s still in early beta but might be of interest.
For myself I think I will probably stay w UltraRecall until I see what happens with SQLnotes. The GUI is similar/same but the implementation is very different. It will include the open outline.
I really liked EccoPro very much & used it from its first appearance so migrating to ADM was sort of natural because of the open outline which I like as you do. It’s such a shame ADM went away as I thought it was quite creative & useful….. but quirky…. as you know.
Oh well. Best of luck to you w OneNote. Transferring data/ re-organizing etc is such a PITA. I hope you end up feeling it was worth it. At least there is comfort knowing that the company won’t go away :-) Although I thought that about Lotus & Agenda. :-(