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GrandView on VMWare 7 on Vista64
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Posted by Dr Andus
May 2, 2013 at 04:23 PM
Listerene wrote:
“sure wish for a GV for Windows”
>There actually IS a pretty good substitute called UV Outliner.
I tried UV Outliner again, but for my purposes I’m finding it rather limited and slow to use. For one, it doesn’t seem to be possible to import content easily, not even with copy and paste, which is essential. E.g. if I copy a hierarchy from Bonsai and paste it into UVO, it pastes the whole thing into a single node. If I do the same with Noteliner, it recognises the hierarchy and the items.
If one needs an outliner with inline notes, then I’d suggest that even Workflowy is better (although it doesn’t recognise the hierarchy from a Bonsai copy, at least it pastes them as individual items, so they can be re-indented).
And then there is Outline 4D, which - although it pastes the text into a single node - provides tools to quickly break them up into a hierarchy.
Posted by Stephen Zeoli
May 2, 2013 at 05:44 PM
Glad you wrote that, Dr Andus. UV Outliner might be a fine, stand alone outliner, but it doesn’t come close to GrandView—then again, no apps do. The closest in my view is OmniOutliner, though I haven’t tried 4D Outliner.
Steve Z.
Posted by Dr Andus
May 3, 2013 at 03:23 PM
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
Glad you wrote that, Dr Andus. UV Outliner might be a fine, stand alone
>outliner, but it doesn’t come close to GrandView—then again, no apps
>do. The closest in my view is OmniOutliner, though I haven’t tried 4D
>Outliner.
Just to be clear, I didn’t intend to knock UV Outliner in general. I’m glad and grateful when anyone cares to develop a new outliner and share it with the rest of the world, especially for free. I’m sure it suits some people’s workflows.
I was just commenting on the specific issue of transferring information back and forth between outliners, which is a critical feature for me. My most basic expectation is that I can copy and paste very quickly using CTRL+C and CTRL+V (and CTRL+M with PureText, when I need to remove formatting).
In fact even ConnectedText’s outliner falls down at this hurdle. It doesn’t respond to the above shortcuts, one needs to use the mouse and the context-menu. For this reason I increasingly find myself using Natara Bonsai and Outline 4D in tandem, as it’s easy to swap info using keyboard shortcuts. Noteliner is also a good one for that but I prefer Bonsai for its additional features.
Posted by Jim Winkler
May 6, 2013 at 03:57 AM
I presume that Grandview was installed in C:\GV? I believe it defaults to that location. If, from Grandview, you do a “Save As”, the directory path should be on the bottom of the dialog box.
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
May 9, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Backbutton wrote:
>Got GrandView running on VMWare 7 on a Vista64 machine.
Just wondering: why go all the way to VMWare? I would expect that a simpler solution like Dosbox should be adequate, lighter on resources, and probably easier to use for file exchange.