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Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Jul 15, 2006 at 11:35 PM
>I think my information is moving away from the outline to a system based on the infinite possibilities of >groups of categories. The question of cloning doesn’t even come up because there are no folders. The >categories are essentially tags.
The more relevant question, I think, is: does a question functionally identical to cloning arises for tags? The analogous issue for tags is: alre tags are mutually exclusive? If they are NOT, like the different note flags in OneNote, for example, then you in substance have cloning into the categories formed from tagged items. If they ARE mutually exclusive, like the flags in Ultra Recall’s Date Explorer, then you in substance have NO cloning into the categories formed by tags. IH’s innovation was to allow multiple tags to be applied systematically to a given item. The terminology is different but it is completely isomorphic to the ability to clone under multiple topics. IH is an exercise in systematic cloning, and from thence rise its “infinite possibilities.”
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Jul 16, 2006 at 01:05 AM
Stephen, good question.
I think of cloning in the context of the outline, and the notion of putting an item into a folder such that it is not someplace else. As a result, the question comes up of what to do when you want it in more than one place, and want changes made to each occurance of that item.
So the idea of cloning came in, which to my mind is a step toward tags.
In the InfoHandler scenario, the categories can be considered as tag inasmuch as they are assigned to a piece of information—there is no putting information anywhere; attributes, ie. categories, are assigned to it.
With this system there is no need to even think of cloning because the tags are assigned.
The category assignments are not mutually exclusive as I understand the term.
IH allows me to retrieve data for any combination of categories from any of the cat groups.
So yes, I’d agree that IH is an exercise in systematic cloning, except given the structure the notion of cloning does not arise as it does in the case of outlines and the folder metaphor.
Good to hear from you—hope all is well.
Daly
Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
>>I think my information is moving away from the outline to a system based on the
>infinite possibilities of >groups of categories. The question of cloning doesn’t
>even come up because there are no folders. The >categories are essentially
>tags.
>
>The more relevant question, I think, is: does a question functionally
>identical to cloning arises for tags? The analogous issue for tags is: alre tags are
>mutually exclusive? If they are NOT, like the different note flags in OneNote, for
>example, then you in substance have cloning into the categories formed from tagged
>items. If they ARE mutually exclusive, like the flags in Ultra Recall’s Date
>Explorer, then you in substance have NO cloning into the categories formed by tags.
>IH’s innovation was to allow multiple tags to be applied systematically to a given
>item. The terminology is different but it is completely isomorphic to the ability to
>clone under multiple topics. IH is an exercise in systematic cloning, and from thence
>rise its “infinite possibilities.”
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Jul 16, 2006 at 07:51 PM
Ian Goldsmid wrote:
>Yup, I have licenses for ContentSaver/Web Researcher, NetSnippets, and
>UltraRecall.. Ultimately I found that UltraRecall was and is able to replicate every
>web page I throw at it perfectly, looking identical to the original - I really like
>that. Also UR provides a much greater range of metadata, or tagging with dirrerent
>attributes such as dates of various kinds, keywords, pick-lists, notes and on and
>on.. Its extremely well engineered, the developers are constantly improving it at an
>impressive rate, they are incredibly responsive to users….. AND Saved Web pages
>can be easily mirrored on your hard disk by exporting them.
Just wondering; have you tried Surfulater? ( http://www.surfulater.com/ ) It’s much more specialised of course, but it does offer some interesting features, such as integrated HTML editing of saved content, filters etc
I usually don’t save complete web content at all, just texts; however, off-line browsing is very useful for presentations and several are planned in the near future.
alx
Posted by Ian Goldsmid
Jul 16, 2006 at 09:38 PM
Alexander
Yes, I do have Surfulater - I bought it about 9 months ago when it looked like the developer was going to be gung ho to develop a lot of new features fast - since then it has been developing at a relative snails pace… Main issue for me is, of course it totally specializes in saving web pages, but for too many web pages, it has problems displaying the saved versions as they appear online… If it saved most web pages perfectly, it might be a nice app for saving & editing them. I suspect it will be at least another 6 months before the developer cracks how to save and display 99% web pages accurately…
One other web page saver I’ve looked at a few times and been impressed with is Metaproducts Inquiry (there is a Pro version too) http://www.metaproducts.com/mp/Inquiry_Professional_Edition.htm ... It didn’t seem to do more than others I already had, but I might have bought it if I didn’t already have those alternatives… Definitely worth a look.
Regards, Ian
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>Just wondering; have you tried Surfulater? (
>http://www.surfulater.com/ ) It’s much more specialised of course, but it does
>offer some interesting features, such as integrated HTML editing of saved content,
>filters etc
>
>I usually don’t save complete web content at all, just texts; however,
>off-line browsing is very useful for presentations and several are planned in the
>near future.
>
>alx
>
Posted by Derek Cornish
Aug 6, 2006 at 07:33 PM
Derek Cornish wrote:
>I was hoping to use CS/WR for web-capture and browsing -
>especially because of its use of virtual folders - but (a) Zoot doesn’t handle the
>URL-type address hyperlinks to CS/WR properly, so the two programs won’t
>communicate; and (b) having to export the contents of CS/WR in order for them to be
>indexed and searched (especially pdf files - the bane of all our lives) is an awkward
>solution to the problem of how to search across one’s hard disk. I think I’d find the
>same problems with UR.
Just to follow-up on this. The latest Zoot now does handle both CS/WR URL-type hyperlinks and those from Biblioscape. Not sure about Whizfolder alpha’s external hyperlinks, but apparently it seems to be just a question of adding the URL address to the registry (I think).
This once again gives Zoot the ability to link to items in third-party programs’ databases. Now that this issue is sorted out I may go back to using a Zoot/Web Research combination rather than a Zoot/Net Snippets one - at least for some projects. As with UltraRecall, it is easy - though rather a nuisance - to mirror files held in WR elsewhere on the HDD and index and search them, if that is required.
Derek