jaslar wrote:

KnowIt is an improved
Tuxcards; I wrote a book with it.

Is there a new version of KnowIt available? I used it many years ago and loved it but it became abandonware and had some serious bugs. I really liked that you could optionally directly edit raw HTML. But a very weird file format, HTML imposed on RTF. As I recall the text attributes were done in RTF but the rest in HTML.

I moved on because of the bugs and I wanted an outliner that would run on both Linux and Windows. I eventually settled on NoteCase Pro and wound up helping on its development as a volunteer.

Yeah, that's my story, too. I first used Tuxcards, much preferred KnowIt, and was thrilled when I contacted the author to add word count, and he sent me the revised program the next day. But you're right about the file structure. I jumped to Notecase Pro, too, which has been under active development, and is far more robust.

Dr Andus wrote:

@Alexander,

I wonder how your Linux experiment is going.

Actually, quite well. It never became my main working OS, but I have a second notebook which I often turn to. Recently, my main notebook went kaput so the Linux one became my main portable machine for a couple of weeks. I was quite amazed by its easy setup. It recognised and installed my external (DisplayLink compatible) graphics card straight away. At my office, as soon as I attempted to print, it identified all printers available on the network and so on...

The main reason for sticking to Windows is my team's collaboration with many others relying on Microsoft Office, and in particular Word's Track Changes mode. Apparently correctly running MS Office is one of the key objectives of Crossover, but the issue is quite complex, so I have not used it on work as yet.

Seeing Google's announcement today (in a nutshell, Chromebooks will be
able to run Linux apps directly within Chrome OS, without the need for
any special workarounds, as currently is the case), there is a chance I
might develop an unhealthy interest in outliner tools on Linux in the
foreseable future ;-)

This reads quite impressive; I wonder how the performance experience will be on the less powerful chromebooks. A serious advantage of Linux is its performance on low budget hardware. I believe most Linux afficcionados would never dream of running Linux on a virtual machine within a proprietary OS.

Re tools on Linux, I mostly rely on web applications and multiplatform programmes, so these are subgroups of what I have in Windows :

- Google G Suite
- Dropbox

- Sublime Text

- B-Folders
- Brainstorm (fine under Crossover)
- Cmap Tools
- Evernote
- Gingko
- Kanban Tool
- Mindomo
- Notecase Pro
- Treesheets
- Zenkit

To try out in the near future: MyBase, the new Brain, Komodo Edit, Visual Studio Code

I forgot to mention Outwiker http://jenyay.net/Outwiker/English I've used it successfully to structure text notes across directories; its advantage is that it can also handle HTML and wiki markup. However, since my notes are text only, I can organise them directly through Sublime Text.

Thanks; MX looks like a very interesting distribution.

cicerosc wrote:

Dr. Andrus you probably already know but Ecco and Bonsai work perfectly
under linux. I am in legal profession and I use Bonsai and Ecco in
Crossover/Wine every day in my favorite distribution, MX-17.

Also, do bear in mind that in Linux the culture of Open Source and Free (as in speech but also as in beer) is much stronger than in Windows and Mac.

My suggestion would be to support Hyper Plan's Linux operation under Wine/Crossover. This way, the user base can be expanded, e.g. to certain groups of academics, without disproportionate effort. I'd be happy to test this if you're interested.

Andy Brice wrote:

I recently surveyed Hyper Plan users to ask what future features they
wanted. A Linux port scored rather poorly. But I suppose hardcore Linux
users aren't likely to be using a product that is currently only
available for Windows and Mac. So it is hard to know how much demand
there really is.

Dr Andus wrote:

Seeing Google's announcement today (in a nutshell, Chromebooks will be
able to run Linux apps directly within Chrome OS, without the need for
any special workarounds, as currently is the case), there is a chance I
might develop an unhealthy interest in outliner tools on Linux in the
foreseable future ;-)

https://www.blog.google/products/chromebooks/linux-on-chromebooks/

The announcement notes that "Linux runs inside a virtual machine that was designed from scratch for Chromebooks." This implies that running Linux apps on Chromebooks will likely impose a substantial performance hit.

I was exclusively Linux for quite a while - about 10 years. Then I took a job with a Microsoft shop place, and it just got to be too much work to maintain multiple platforms and updates, so I moved over to Windows 7. Since most of my tools were cross platform, it wasn't hard.

Then Microsoft Office online came out. I got a Chromebook for travel and found that I could actually make that work. I doubt I'll buy another Windows machine, and I doubt that I'll carry my own Windows subscription if I leave my current employer. The Google apps, for collaboration, are better.

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:

Also, do bear in mind that in Linux the culture of Open Source and Free
(as in speech but also as in beer) is much stronger than in Windows and
Mac.

I don't plan on releasing the source for Hyper Plan.

My suggestion would be to support Hyper Plan's Linux operation under
Wine/Crossover. This way, the user base can be expanded, e.g. to certain
groups of academics, without disproportionate effort. I'd be happy to
test this if you're interested.

It should work under WINE, but I haven't tried it. If you do try it, I would be interested to know how you get on (there is a free trial on the download page).

--

Andy Brice
https://www.hyperplan.com

The announcement notes that "Linux runs inside a virtual machine that
was designed from scratch for Chromebooks." This implies that running
Linux apps on Chromebooks will likely impose a substantial performance
hit.

The only problem with VM speed is that they still are terrible on all graphical user interface
stuff because there is no working virtualization of GPU's yet and it gets worse when the
workload is increasing. And if the chromebook does not come with 4k monitor, it is doomed,
this is now state of the art.

So either they come up with something really good or this idea is born to fail or they
are just using the term virtual machine in a very misleading way and mean sandboxing (via docker).

xtabber wrote:

The announcement notes that "Linux runs inside a virtual machine that
was designed from scratch for Chromebooks." This implies that running
Linux apps on Chromebooks will likely impose a substantial performance
hit.

I'm not an expert on this, but as far as I understand Chrome OS is already a version of Linux, so presumably there are some synergies about running Linux on a type of a Linux machine.

The announcement hints at that:

"Linux runs inside a virtual machine that was designed from scratch for Chromebooks. That means it starts in seconds and integrates completely with Chromebook features. Linux apps can start with a click of an icon, windows can be moved around, and files can be opened directly from apps."

Having said that, it is currently only available on the top-spec Chromebook (the Pixelbook), so you might be right that this won't run on older (and weaker) Chromebooks. This is something for the next generation of Chromebooks.

Andy Brice wrote:

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
Also, do bear in mind that in Linux the culture of Open Source and Free
>(as in speech but also as in beer) is much stronger than in Windows and
>Mac.

I don't plan on releasing the source for Hyper Plan.

I didn't think you would. I mentioned this as a counter-incentive for a Linux user base for Hyper Plan.

>My suggestion would be to support Hyper Plan's Linux operation under
>Wine/Crossover. This way, the user base can be expanded, e.g. to
certain
>groups of academics, without disproportionate effort. I'd be happy to
>test this if you're interested.

It should work under WINE, but I haven't tried it. If you do try it, I
would be interested to know how you get on (there is a free trial on the
download page).

Indeed I will; the full version of course, I am a registered user since v1 ;)

I'm author of both MindRaider and MindForger. And yes, I started to work
on MindForger and relased it at the end of May.

I used MindRaider on daily basis for years, but it became obsolete
(technology, performance, future perspective, ...). Therefore I decided
to start a new project and rewrite it from scratch.

MindForger is MindRaider successor - it provides all MindRaider
features - except knowledge graph rendering (force-driven graph)
which I would like to release in upcoming months.

I work on MindForger full-time for 6 months. It's FLOSS and hope
for its bright future.

If you are/was/want to be MindRaider/MindForger user please
don't hesitate to contact me - I will be happy to help. If you have
any suggestions, bug report, constructive critics drop me an email
or post issue on GitHub.

https://www.mindforger.com

Jan S. wrote:

But the MindRaider author seems to work on a new project
(http://www.mindforger.com/ which is supposed to be a "thinking book"
and "markdown IDE". Hard to say what it does exactly, though.