They are still experiencing heavy load and it's been a while.

Yup, finally got on yesterday afternoon. It's nice. Not as nice as Todoist, but more cross-platform. Just. And more collaboration-focused. They've obviously taken a lot of time and trouble on the new client(s). But no sign of iOS updates yet, although I noticed my Android mobile has automatically updated.

From an outlining perspective, the comment I made about the new version over at MacUpdate.com may be relevant:

"Hmmm. I tried creating a task. Then a subtask. Then I tried searching for one of the words in the subtask. No dice. I guess search works for tasks but not subtasks? Seems to be a deal-breaker."

Thanks for the fast replies. I still can't get in but as Todoist has been mentioned, is it safe to say it's just a Wunderlist upgrade or is the load a sign of an important hype that took the to-do list niche by storm?

So how much does this cost, if anything? I don't see anything about that on the site and the old one was free.

When it comes to apps that require syncing with the company's servers, my concern is "So, how do they make money?" since it seems pretty often, those servers don't stick around very long if there's no money coming in.

shatteredmindofbob wrote:

So how much does this cost, if anything? I don't see anything about that
on the site and the old one was free.

When it comes to apps that require syncing with the company's servers,
my concern is "So, how do they make money?" since it seems pretty often,
those servers don't stick around very long if there's no money coming
in.

I haven't found anything but if you're going by the old statement for wunderlist (it's one of the first things when you Google how it makes money) the official statement used to be that it was a testing bed for wunderkit.

So far as clues, I don't know how Netvibes does it but this 4 year ago is still one of the top google searches but Netvibe is still alive: http://readwrite.com/2009/03/10/is_netvibes_dying_an_update_to_our_coverage

Foolness wrote:

So far as clues, I don't know how Netvibes does it but this 4 year ago
is still one of the top google searches but Netvibe is still alive:
http://readwrite.com/2009/03/10/is_netvibes_dying_an_update_to_our_coverage

I use Netvibes for much of my news reading. They now have a premium version, which costs €29.90 a year. Also, there are some business related services which generate revenue.

I didn't use it for a long time because when I clicked on a story it gave me an abbreviated version, and I'd have to click again to go to the actual publication in which the story appeared. Recently Netvibes makes it an option to go straight to the actual publication with the first click. Now I use Netvibes a lot more.

Daly

MadaboutDana wrote:

Yup, finally got on yesterday afternoon. It's nice. Not as nice as
Todoist, but more cross-platform. Just. And more collaboration-focused.
They've obviously taken a lot of time and trouble on the new client(s).
But no sign of iOS updates yet, although I noticed my Android mobile has
automatically updated.

There is an iPhone/iPod Touch version now, it is looking good. But I'm not so sure about the Windows app. They went a step too far in simplification for my taste. I prefer the sort options in v1. Except that now v. 1 stopped working properly, although both are installed.

Also, the Windows app installed without a desktop shortcut and in some totally crazy location (under AppData\Local\Apps etc.), I could barely find it, if it weren't for Everything Search Engine...

Dr Andus wrote:

Also, the Windows app installed without a desktop shortcut and in some
totally crazy location (under AppData\Local\Apps etc.), I could barely
find it, if it weren't for Everything Search Engine...

That's the location for temporary program data. It's a route some 'modern' applications take; I've seen it at least with Chrome and Markdown Pad. It's a PITA when you look around Program Files to review what applications you've got installed and you get this strange feeling something rather obvious is missing.

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:

That's the location for temporary program data. It's a route some
'modern' applications take; I've seen it at least with Chrome and
Markdown Pad. It's a PITA when you look around Program Files to review
what applications you've got installed and you get this strange feeling
something rather obvious is missing.

I see... Eventually I found a shortcut in the Start Menu, but it wasn't under "W" for Wunderlist but under "6 Wunderkinder GMBH", so I missed it initially.

shatteredmindofbob wrote:

So how much does this cost, if anything? I don't see anything about that
on the site and the old one was free.
When it comes to apps that require syncing with the company's servers,
my concern is "So, how do they make money?" since it seems pretty often,
those servers don't stick around very long if there's no money coming
in.

Well, some money has just come in :) Sequoia Capital has just invested $19 million in Wunderlist. So there must be a monetization model at least in the business plan somewhere.

But... I have gradually lost interest in Wunderlist. I did like the easy sharing of lists in the very first iteration, and the easy-to-use interface, but the subsequent changes to the look of it and some of the more recent bells and whistles put me off. Plus Workflowy turned up.

So is Wunderlist is going to be the Evernote of todo lists? Anyone stuck with v. 2?

Dr Andus wrote:

Well, some money has just come in :) Sequoia Capital has just invested
$19 million in Wunderlist. So there must be a monetization model at
least in the business plan somewhere.

Here is the link:
https://www.wunderlist.com/blog/sequoia-invests-19-million-in-wunderlist

I like the ideas behind Wunderlist, and I love company's website and general enthusiasm. But there are shortcomings - I regularly go back to Wunderlist (because it's so totally cross-platform), then find myself abandoning it for other solutions that are just "friendlier", somehow. I'm currently experimenting with TickTick.com (nice iOS, Android, web apps) and Todo.ly (very nice web app, nice iOS app). I find that increasingly, I'm looking for the following:

a) list of categories/projects/folders etc. down the left-hand side (spot the outliner user!). Ideally foldable, but that's not critical.
b) list of tasks (plus ideally subtasks) in the middle window. Ideally with first line of comment/note shown, too.
c) full details of whichever task I happen to be looking at in right-hand window, with plenty of space for notes/comments

Now I like these things to be simple and clear, which is why I've moved away from Remember The Milk (nice iOS app, but fussy categories; disastrous web app) and Doit.im (again, good-looking, but over-fussy). I moved back to the very, very simple for a while (Priorities on iOS/the web), and enjoyed that; but the three-pane concept described above appeals to me most of all.

I don't like complex task managers (Pocket Informant, 2Do); you spend more time arranging things or entering details than you do on the tasks themselves! Currently TickTick.com has held my loyalty longer than most, not because it's perfect, but because it combines just enough complexity with an overarchingly simple structure.

If Wunderlist allowed you to (a) color categories and (b) keep the 'task details' window permanently open, I would probably move back to it. But there's something a bit too "list-like" about Wunderlist at the moment. The best task apps are the ones that make you smile when you open them (which is why I keep Priorities around - it always makes me smile!).

MadaboutDana wrote:

Currently TickTick.com has held my loyalty longer than most,
not because it's perfect, but because it combines just enough complexity
with an overarchingly simple structure.

Have you tried the collaboration features? They're one of the differentiations between the free and Pro versions http://ticktick.com/about/upgrade but what exactly they offer is not very clear to me.

From my part I am still OK with Nozbe, though I have put my outliner mind in hibernation in order to use it (it does not have subtasks). But offline access plus collaboration are just too important for me.