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Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Sep 2, 2007 at 12:53 AM
I think there is a functional difference between a note and folding a header to a single line, which is this: If you have multi-line headers, having a separate note allows you to hide the note while continuing to see the entire header. Also, you may wish the header to have a different formatting than the text of the note.
Steve Z.
Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Sep 2, 2007 at 05:50 PM
sracer wrote:
>In using an outliner for its intended purpose (as the skeleton for the
>eventual document), BOTH folding AND notes are required. (unless I’m
>misunderstanding the use of the term “note”) When an outline entry is folded, only the
>“Note” for that entry should be displayed…. when expanded, the “note” should be
>hidden.
You are mosconstruing the use of “Notes” in this discussion. The “Note” is the text, distinguished from the heading. The term “Note” comes from More on the pre-OSX Apple Macintosh. Perhaps we should use the term that MS Word uses, because it should be more widely known: “Body Text.” Folding is shrinking of the Heading (and perhaps Body Text paragraphs) down to one line.
Several of us (you, me, Steve Zeoli) agree that Body Text is useful, even with available Folding, although David may disagree. What we don’t have any arguments for is retaining Folding, when Body Text is available.
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>When I initially create an outline, each entry is a “note” that will NOT
>appear in the final document… or they become/tweaked to become the “heading” for
>that section.
>
>Using this approach, an “expand all” function will hide the
>underlying outline and simply display the document, while a “contract/fold all”
>function will reveal the outline structure.
>
>If you are talking about outlines as
>data organizing/PIM functionality, then feel free to disregard what I’ve written.
Posted by sracer
Sep 2, 2007 at 08:31 PM
Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
>
>
>sracer wrote:
>>In using an outliner for its intended purpose (as the skeleton for
>the
>>eventual document), BOTH folding AND notes are required. (unless I’m
>>misunderstanding the use of the term “note”) When an outline entry is folded, only
>the
>>“Note” for that entry should be displayed…. when expanded, the “note” should
>be
>>hidden.
>
>You are mosconstruing the use of “Notes” in this discussion. The
>“Note” is the text, distinguished from the heading. The term “Note” comes from More on
>the pre-OSX Apple Macintosh. Perhaps we should use the term that MS Word uses, because
>it should be more widely known: “Body Text.” Folding is shrinking of the Heading (and
>perhaps Body Text paragraphs) down to one line.
That is what I thought that you meant. I was indeed using Note = Body Text.
Posted by Stephen R. Diamond
Sep 3, 2007 at 01:44 AM
sracer wrote:
>
>
>Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
>>
>>
>>sracer wrote:
>>>In using an outliner for its
>intended purpose (as the skeleton for
>>the
>>>eventual document), BOTH folding AND
>notes are required. (unless I’m
>>>misunderstanding the use of the term “note”) When
>an outline entry is folded, only
>>the
>>>“Note” for that entry should be
>displayed…. when expanded, the “note” should
>>be
>>>hidden.
Then, if Note = Body text, the above should read ‘only the Heading should be displayed,” (when an entry is folded). What confused me is that you have Folding SHOWING Notes (or body text).
>>
>>You are
>mosconstruing the use of “Notes” in this discussion. The
>>“Note” is the text,
>distinguished from the heading. The term “Note” comes from More on
>>the pre-OSX
>Apple Macintosh. Perhaps we should use the term that MS Word uses, because
>>it should
>be more widely known: “Body Text.” Folding is shrinking of the Heading (and
>>perhaps
>Body Text paragraphs) down to one line.
>
>That is what I thought that you meant. I was
>indeed using Note = Body Text.
>
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Sep 4, 2007 at 12:46 AM
Hello,
I’m working on building a new outliner (+ much much more). See http://www.sqlnotes.net. It is based on the Ecco Pro outline/grid concept, the original post subject, which had a specific form of ouliner, not always recognized as the best. This post has evolved in an interesting direction and I’m planning on implementing some of the comments read, namely being able to toggle between showing the summary heading and the rich body text. Thanks for the input.
The best (free and on PC?) outliner to simulate would be which one?