At last -- my review of ConnectedText as an outliner
Started by Stephen Zeoli
on 10/24/2012
Stephen Zeoli
10/24/2012 3:36 pm
I've finally gotten my review of ConnectedText as an outliner posted. Since it has been so long since I was writing the other reviews, I decided against using the same format for this review, as I've sort of lost the mindset I was in and I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be making a fair comparison.
You can find the review here:
http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/outlining-in-connectedtext/
As usual, I welcome corrections and opposing views in the comments section.
Steve Z.
You can find the review here:
http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/outlining-in-connectedtext/
As usual, I welcome corrections and opposing views in the comments section.
Steve Z.
Alexander Deliyannis
10/24/2012 7:33 pm
Thanks Steve, interesting as informative as always. You did the right thing to not include ConnectedText with the previous batch of comparisons and to focus on its outlining features. I believe that CT would have actually faired rather poorly in such a comparison, as its wiki features (which represent its core functionality) are mostly irrelevant to outlining.
Thanks also to Dr Andus for the very useful complementary tips.
I personally have not yet warmed to up to ConnectedText for reasons beyond its actual functionality: it is an excellent personal wiki, but my work requires more and more collaboration on common archives. In addition, I've been rather rather spoilt by the likes of Dokuwiki: I have come to expect cross-platform operation of all wiki software.
Thanks also to Dr Andus for the very useful complementary tips.
I personally have not yet warmed to up to ConnectedText for reasons beyond its actual functionality: it is an excellent personal wiki, but my work requires more and more collaboration on common archives. In addition, I've been rather rather spoilt by the likes of Dokuwiki: I have come to expect cross-platform operation of all wiki software.
Dr Andus
10/24/2012 11:22 pm
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
You're welcome...
...but I respectfully disagree :) Although wikis are often hailed as our liberators from hierarchical thinking, it is possible and can be even useful to view a wiki as a hierarchical structure.
As I said in one of my comments on Steve's blog, the wiki's homepage is basically level 1 of a hierarchy, and any outbound links are level 2. Links from those are level 3 etc., etc. You have cascading parent-child relationships like in an outline.
I find CT's Navigator tool particularly helpful for constructing specific hierarchies purposefully. CT thus allows you to freely switch back and forth between a flat and a hierarchical experience, and you can completely forget about your hierarchy until the next time you need it again.
In the beta v. 6, Eduardo has now introduced a feature that allows one to remove individual topics from the Navigator view, so even if you have a particularly dense network of topics, you will be able to construct selective views of your hierarchy.
As I said on the blog, there seem to be at least 4 different ways of outlining in CT at the moment, and I have the nagging suspicion that there might be some other ways I haven't yet thought of (given CT's modularity).
Thanks also to Dr Andus for the very useful
complementary tips.
You're welcome...
I believe that CT would have actually faired rather poorly in
such a comparison, as its wiki features (which represent its core functionality) are
mostly irrelevant to outlining.
...but I respectfully disagree :) Although wikis are often hailed as our liberators from hierarchical thinking, it is possible and can be even useful to view a wiki as a hierarchical structure.
As I said in one of my comments on Steve's blog, the wiki's homepage is basically level 1 of a hierarchy, and any outbound links are level 2. Links from those are level 3 etc., etc. You have cascading parent-child relationships like in an outline.
I find CT's Navigator tool particularly helpful for constructing specific hierarchies purposefully. CT thus allows you to freely switch back and forth between a flat and a hierarchical experience, and you can completely forget about your hierarchy until the next time you need it again.
In the beta v. 6, Eduardo has now introduced a feature that allows one to remove individual topics from the Navigator view, so even if you have a particularly dense network of topics, you will be able to construct selective views of your hierarchy.
As I said on the blog, there seem to be at least 4 different ways of outlining in CT at the moment, and I have the nagging suspicion that there might be some other ways I haven't yet thought of (given CT's modularity).
Dr Andus
10/25/2012 12:13 am
Steve,
many thanks for the review. If by any chance you're (or anyone else is) totally bored now and don't know what to blog about after this ;-) a review series I'd be interested in is a comparison of outliners/writing tools for the latter stages of writing, i.e. transitioning from a basic outline to a first draft.
Mostly I'm thinking of single-pane outliners with inline note capabilities, and perhaps some tools for fiction and non-fiction writers. I have looked at this category recently and was surprised how thin these are on the ground (or rapidly ageing and being abandoned) and how poor the integration is across the writing process.
In the "outliners with inline notes" category the only ones that seem to be still developed are Inspire and UV Outline (and perhaps CT, if we include its "editor with folding" feature). The oldies include Outline 4D, LexisNexis Notemap 2, and Maxthink.
Having adopted Outline 4D for this purpose, now that my outline is filling up (13k words), I'm starting to feel that the next stage in writing would be to turn to a 2-pane outliner, to break up the outline again and start working on smaller sections (unfortunately Outline 4D doesn't have hoisting).
So my ideal tool would be one where you could start out working in a single-pane environment to create a basic outline. Then, by a switch of a button you could turn on the inline notes feature, and start adding flesh onto the skeleton.
Then when the annotated outline grows too big (over 10k words), I would like to be able to switch very easily to a focused view, either by turning the single-pane outline into a double-pane outline with the inline notes in the second pane, or some easy hoisting feature.
Finally, one would want to export it and keep all the headings, so they would be recognised in MS Word for instance.
Scrivener, CT, and Outline 4D can do much of this (NoteMap also looked good), but none of them can do it from start to finish as smoothly as I wish. Inspire can possibly do the whole thing but I just can't handle it from a usability point of view.
Okay, don't worry, I'm just joking about the review series, but if anyone has any further thoughts or suggestions regarding this process, I'd be interested to hear it.
many thanks for the review. If by any chance you're (or anyone else is) totally bored now and don't know what to blog about after this ;-) a review series I'd be interested in is a comparison of outliners/writing tools for the latter stages of writing, i.e. transitioning from a basic outline to a first draft.
Mostly I'm thinking of single-pane outliners with inline note capabilities, and perhaps some tools for fiction and non-fiction writers. I have looked at this category recently and was surprised how thin these are on the ground (or rapidly ageing and being abandoned) and how poor the integration is across the writing process.
In the "outliners with inline notes" category the only ones that seem to be still developed are Inspire and UV Outline (and perhaps CT, if we include its "editor with folding" feature). The oldies include Outline 4D, LexisNexis Notemap 2, and Maxthink.
Having adopted Outline 4D for this purpose, now that my outline is filling up (13k words), I'm starting to feel that the next stage in writing would be to turn to a 2-pane outliner, to break up the outline again and start working on smaller sections (unfortunately Outline 4D doesn't have hoisting).
So my ideal tool would be one where you could start out working in a single-pane environment to create a basic outline. Then, by a switch of a button you could turn on the inline notes feature, and start adding flesh onto the skeleton.
Then when the annotated outline grows too big (over 10k words), I would like to be able to switch very easily to a focused view, either by turning the single-pane outline into a double-pane outline with the inline notes in the second pane, or some easy hoisting feature.
Finally, one would want to export it and keep all the headings, so they would be recognised in MS Word for instance.
Scrivener, CT, and Outline 4D can do much of this (NoteMap also looked good), but none of them can do it from start to finish as smoothly as I wish. Inspire can possibly do the whole thing but I just can't handle it from a usability point of view.
Okay, don't worry, I'm just joking about the review series, but if anyone has any further thoughts or suggestions regarding this process, I'd be interested to hear it.
Alexander Deliyannis
10/25/2012 5:29 am
Dr Andus wrote:
Yes of course, but here's the catch:
- Where can you actually see and work with all levels of that outline?
- Wikis don't guide you towards hierarchical thinking. Unless you have a plan in your mind, you are most likely to connect everything to everything, with no consideration of levels.
Although wikis are often hailed as our liberators from
hierarchical thinking, it is possible and can be even useful to view a wiki as a
hierarchical structure.
As I said in one of my comments on Steve's blog, the wiki's
homepage is basically level 1 of a hierarchy, and any outbound links are level 2. Links
from those are level 3 etc., etc. You have cascading parent-child relationships like
in an outline.
Yes of course, but here's the catch:
- Where can you actually see and work with all levels of that outline?
- Wikis don't guide you towards hierarchical thinking. Unless you have a plan in your mind, you are most likely to connect everything to everything, with no consideration of levels.
Alexander Deliyannis
10/25/2012 7:46 am
Dr Andus wrote:
To be clear, I do not disagree with the above statement. However, same as with TheBrain, the unlimited degrees of freedom of connection are in my view non-conducive to (obviously) hierarchical structures. In outliners that can support cloning and/or tagging one can actually re-create the same relationships as in a complex wiki. Yet conceptually the structure is still a hierarchical outline.
In an outliner, the (limited) outline is a starting frame of obvious structure, to which one can create 'exceptions', e.g. cloned items or links to other points in the hierarchy. In a wiki, the (unlimited) relationships are the starting point, and these you must maintain under strict control in order to produce an (obviously) structured hierarchy.
To take another example, one can use LEGO blocks to create furniture. However, LEGO is not particularly conducive to furniture building, nor would it be 'fair' to compare LEGO to IKEA as furniture building frameworks. However, one could well write a guide to using LEGO for furniture building without needing to go into such a comparison.
I.e. my comment was mostly meant in respect to Steve's choice to not compare ConnectedText with the other outliners within the same context.
Although wikis are often hailed as our liberators from
hierarchical thinking, it is possible and can be even useful to view a wiki as a
hierarchical structure.
To be clear, I do not disagree with the above statement. However, same as with TheBrain, the unlimited degrees of freedom of connection are in my view non-conducive to (obviously) hierarchical structures. In outliners that can support cloning and/or tagging one can actually re-create the same relationships as in a complex wiki. Yet conceptually the structure is still a hierarchical outline.
In an outliner, the (limited) outline is a starting frame of obvious structure, to which one can create 'exceptions', e.g. cloned items or links to other points in the hierarchy. In a wiki, the (unlimited) relationships are the starting point, and these you must maintain under strict control in order to produce an (obviously) structured hierarchy.
To take another example, one can use LEGO blocks to create furniture. However, LEGO is not particularly conducive to furniture building, nor would it be 'fair' to compare LEGO to IKEA as furniture building frameworks. However, one could well write a guide to using LEGO for furniture building without needing to go into such a comparison.
I.e. my comment was mostly meant in respect to Steve's choice to not compare ConnectedText with the other outliners within the same context.
Dr Andus
10/25/2012 9:56 am
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
Yes, but that is also partly a mindset and a question of available visualisation tools. I.e. you could force yourself to use either as the other, provided the right kind of visualisation tools are available. I'm saying that there is benefit to such unorthodox uses.
I don't know of other wikis, but in CT this is exactly what I use the Navigator for. It allows you to see your network as a partial outline hierarchy. It's partial because only the parent-child relationships are represented, not the sibling order (but it's still useful). In the Navigator I mostly use the "vertical outline" view (just realised it's even called an "outline"):
http://drandus.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/navigator.png
In an outliner, the (limited) outline is a starting frame of
obvious structure, to which one can create 'exceptions', e.g. cloned items or links
to other points in the hierarchy. In a wiki, the (unlimited) relationships are the
starting point, and these you must maintain under strict control in order to produce
an (obviously) structured hierarchy.
Yes, but that is also partly a mindset and a question of available visualisation tools. I.e. you could force yourself to use either as the other, provided the right kind of visualisation tools are available. I'm saying that there is benefit to such unorthodox uses.
Yes of course, but here’s the catch:
Where can you actually see and work with all levels of that outline?
Wikis don’t guide you towards hierarchical thinking. Unless you have a plan in your mind,
you are most likely to connect everything to everything, with no consideration of levels.
I don't know of other wikis, but in CT this is exactly what I use the Navigator for. It allows you to see your network as a partial outline hierarchy. It's partial because only the parent-child relationships are represented, not the sibling order (but it's still useful). In the Navigator I mostly use the "vertical outline" view (just realised it's even called an "outline"):
http://drandus.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/navigator.png
Stephen Zeoli
10/25/2012 2:42 pm
In a standard wiki (if such a thing exists), hyperlinks would be the number one means of providing structure to and navigating among your notes. In ConnectedText, however, there are so many other ways to get around your information and for creating structure that it somewhat obviates the need for these links.
This is important to me, because I need to stop myself from creating a link every chance I get. Linking everything possible is neither necessary nor productive in my view. I'm not suggesting that links should be avoided altogether or anything like that. More that links should be used judiciously to take advantage of CT's other features, and where the quick access to the connected note would be of value. (I should state that I'm talking about using CT as a personal information or project manager, not as a reference archive, where links would be of more value.)
I'm curious about what others think about linking; what hyperlinking practices make sense to you?
Steve Z.
This is important to me, because I need to stop myself from creating a link every chance I get. Linking everything possible is neither necessary nor productive in my view. I'm not suggesting that links should be avoided altogether or anything like that. More that links should be used judiciously to take advantage of CT's other features, and where the quick access to the connected note would be of value. (I should state that I'm talking about using CT as a personal information or project manager, not as a reference archive, where links would be of more value.)
I'm curious about what others think about linking; what hyperlinking practices make sense to you?
Steve Z.
Dr Andus
10/25/2012 5:01 pm
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
Although I do subscribe to that view, it might depend on one's particular needs and uses. I use CT as an analytical solution, therefore each link needs to be meaningful, conveying some meaningful connection or fulfilling some logistical purpose in conveying meaning.
For me linking in CT is a way of constructing larger objects (analytical models) or networks of objects. If everything is connected to everything, then the model loses its usefulness because you can't identify any interesting relationships or the overall shape of the object(s) constructed.
I need to stop myself from creating a link every chance I get. Linking everything
possible is neither necessary nor productive in my view.
Although I do subscribe to that view, it might depend on one's particular needs and uses. I use CT as an analytical solution, therefore each link needs to be meaningful, conveying some meaningful connection or fulfilling some logistical purpose in conveying meaning.
For me linking in CT is a way of constructing larger objects (analytical models) or networks of objects. If everything is connected to everything, then the model loses its usefulness because you can't identify any interesting relationships or the overall shape of the object(s) constructed.
