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Outliners vs. Inliners (and a little intro to programming with Outliners (but not Inliners, sorry, Steve!))
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Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Sep 4, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Fredy wrote:
> Steve, I tend to believe that you are right, and that for writing, outliners(1) / Word are better suited
> than outliners(2/3). What’s needed then, is a good outliner(3), with good inline capabilities,
> incl. shifting around outlining levels between tree and content in both directions.
This is exactly what Sense is for me. I can focus on the writing pane (right) and the structure will be developed in the content explorer (left pane, tree) and switch from one to the other constantly. Admittedly it is not lightning fast—it is a .NET application- but neither am I so it definitely doesn’t slow me down.
Can you address the question I asked earlier on about the environment you were referring to in your programming example? Unless you have already somehow in the post above and I failed to comprehend it.
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Sep 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Sorry, our posts were cross-entered. I was referring of course to the post where you replied to Steve.
I will go through your reply to me and see if something is not clear.
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Sep 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM
All is clear, thanks.
Posted by Fredy
Sep 4, 2012 at 10:46 PM
Edit: I do it in my outliner. So I tried export of the tree only to B-liner, to MindManager, and to other such programs. Works like a charm, one-way, but it’s not really useful, for one person having done “everything” in outliners(2/3) for many years: doesn’t bring me anything new.
On the other hand, such a one-way export of the structure into a graphical representation could be very useful for collaboration, i.e. for discussing structure within a group.
Since most corporations do have MindManager, here’s a tip: 1) You paste your exported tree into your main topic; 2) You muse how you could have avoided to have an unwanted intermediate topic as sub-topic of MM’s main topic, the original source item; 3) Don’t torture your mind anymore, just select the intermediate topic, rightclick and select the command “do away with the (current) topic” (or anything like that, I have the - free but a little bit horrible German-only version I told you last year how to get it); 4) The original source topic disappears, all its sub-topics now being sub-topics of the main topic, and you’ll just have to rename that main topic, done.
And no, there is no dedicated W/O sw except the two from varsatek or how they are called. In the beginning of the Eighties, there was another W/O sw, costing exactly 10 Grand - but they offered rental schemes!
Anybody who does not only not like B-liner’s GUI (it’s terrible! but even they have got a presentation mode), but doesn’t like W/O diagrams either, well, the alternative were Nassi/Shneiderman diagrams. In English: Don’t like Europe, anymore? Ok, but Syria, then?
But seriously, programmers in corporate environments should consider programming within MM or something similar, collaboration features and presentation features, and the notes fields, make such programs suitable for programming. (I must admit I didn’t check if those programs do the necessary “total export”, i.e. notes right after the headings. My (old and free) MM version 8 does NOT seem to do it, oops! But newer versions, other makes… or just almost any outliner(2/3) of your choice, and the graphics for presentation purposes.
Posted by Fredy
Sep 4, 2012 at 10:50 PM
Crossed again. It’s 1 a.m. I thought only our U.S. fellows were awaken this late. This is an addiction, you know… Good night.