Can we talk about Info Select?
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Posted by Slartibartfarst
Feb 3, 2014 at 08:32 PM
Thanks @Alexander Deliyannis. Yes, I am a long-standing member of that Yahoo! InfoSelect User Group forum, and had been using the rss feed address that they provided.
It is also a publicly-viewable group - meaning that one does not need to sign in if one simply wants to read the posts.
However, the rss feed has either been changed or expunged, and I can’t find it referred to in the forum any more. An rss feed may yet exist, but is not being published. Even if it is not published, one can sometimes figure out what the rss feed for a website is, but I can’t figure out what the new one is - if there is one, now.
(Sigh.) In the good old days when I used Google Reader, Google had built in some smarts that would figure out a website’s rss feed for you. :-(
Posted by Slartibartfarst
Feb 3, 2014 at 09:03 PM
Just picking up on an old comment that I think I had overlooked in this thread:
@Jack Crawford wrote, on Aug 26, 2012 at 02:51 AM:
...There seems to be an endless stream of tree-based note taking info managers out there.
The one that seems closest to Info Select is NoteFrog. ...
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Just thought I’d point to an ongoing mini-review of NoteFrog at DonationCoder Forum:
NoteFrog Pro (clipboard information manager) - Mini-Review - DonationCoder.com - http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=29431.msg272865#msg272865
The review was last updated on 2013-12-16 and there is a NoteFrog version update imminent, which several DCF members have contributed to as ß-testers.
I have been a user of InfoSelect for many years now, and a user of NoteFrog since 2011, and a user of NF’s predecessor, ClipGuru, since before then. As such, I think I can safely say, and without fear of contradiction, that IS and NF are quite dissimilar tools working in dissimilar ways, and that each seems to be very good at what it was designed to do. I think (but an not sure) that IS uses a relational database approach, where you can have several databases, several open at one time, and where some of the objects (e.g., images) in the database can be saved as discrete external Windows files (if you want it to and select that as an option). By contrast, NF works on a hypertext stack basis, and can have several such stacks (databases), but can only operate on one stack at a time.
I have often wished that a lot of the NoteFrog-like functionality could have been somehow embedded into InfoSelect. v8 ...
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Feb 3, 2014 at 09:34 PM
Slartibartfarst wrote:
>However, the rss feed has either been changed or expunged, and I can’t
>find it referred to in the forum any more. An rss feed may yet exist,
>but is not being published. Even if it is not published, one can
>sometimes figure out what the rss feed for a website is, but I can’t
>figure out what the new one is - if there is one, now.
>(Sigh.) In the good old days when I used Google Reader, Google had built
>in some smarts that would figure out a website’s rss feed for you. :-(
Well, Firefox and Internet Explorer, as well as (classic) Opera can also autodiscover non-visible feeds, but no luck here. I even found a special online tool http://www.rss-tracker.com/index.php?lang=en which after a few minutes concluded that there’s no feed associated.
Posted by jimspoon
Feb 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM
I also miss the yahoo groups rss feeds, but at least we can still get the yahoo groups posts via email. One could use something like http://www.mmmmail.com/ to receive the emails as an rss feed. I haven’t tried it though.
Posted by Slartibartfarst
Feb 9, 2014 at 09:48 AM
@Alexander Deliyannis and @jimspoon: SOLVED - the mystery of the disappeared RSS feed for the Yahoo! InfoSelect User Group forum.
RSS feeds to Groups seems to have been silently (without prior announcement/warning) removed by Yahoo! sometime in July 2013. This is according to the Admin’s post in the discussion thread “Is RSS gone”, here: https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/suggestions/4240849
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Completed · Admin Product Support (Admin, Yahoo) responded · Sep 1, 2013
Hi John , The RSS feature was retired in July 2013.
- Yahoo! Groups Product Team
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Words fail me, but I am not surprised.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary (10th Ed.) defines “yahoo” thusly:
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yahoo:
* n. informal a rude, coarse, or brutish person.
– ORIGIN C18: from the name of an imaginary race in Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels (1726).
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Oh no! Eyes hazing over with red…anger…must destroy…cannot stop…nooooooo!...not that!...not a rant!...
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Though I tend be highly critical and analytical, I do try to be positive about most things, but, after observing the Yahoo! “marketing” methods, I came to the conclusion many years ago that Yahoo! was detestable and to be avoided. So I made a deliberate decision - I steadfastly blocked *any* advertising links to, or feeds from them in my browser, using JunkBuster and, later, AdBlockPlus, and when my ISP tried to force me to migrate my email account to an inferior and less secure (QED) Yahoo! email account, I steadfastly refused and to this day I still use the old email account.
However, I did nevertheless periodically (every year or so) review this decision and examine what Yahoo! currently seemed to have on offer, and whether they had improved, but nothing indicated that my original decision was not the right one for me.
I grudgingly only used Yahoo! for this *one thing* - the InfoSelect user group. I avoided going to the detested Yahoo! user group site unless I felt I had something useful/helpful/informative to contribute, and I kept-up-to-date on the discussion threads via RSS feed - as I do with OutlinerSoftware.com and the other forums, blogs and news sites that I wish to keep updated by.
Anyway, now that I know for sure that Yahoo! have deliberately expunged RSS feeds in the forums - presumably to force users to go to the blasted things (clicks and eyes on pages presumably being the all-important drivers), I can use an alternative that I always use for sites that do not have an RSS feed but that I want to keep informed by (and no, email alerts don’t cut the mustard as far as I am concerned) - a Firefox extension called UpdateScanner - http://sourceforge.net/projects/updatescanner/
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