Exporting information from one PIM into another PIM
Started by Cassius
on 7/13/2012
Cassius
7/13/2012 6:05 am
Sometimes this is relatively easy (e.g. GrandView into Inspiration); usually it is not.
I think that it might be worthwhile for those who have had success in accomplishing this, to tell the rest of us how they did it, particularly if they found an efficient procedure. As an example, I reproduce below the procedure I use for moving outlines from GrandView into Inspiration.
Based on several glowing accounts of UltraRecall (eg,. Pavi, Wolfgang), I used the Bits du Jour offer for UltraRecall Pro. I have much to learn, but in the few minutes I've tried to move info from Jot+ into other PIMs, UR seems to work by far the best.
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10/30/11:
The best approach (so far) that I've found for converting GV files to Inspiration is:
In the GV file, switch to "Outline View" and turn both "Columns" and "Category Display" OFF.
Expand EVERYTHING, then highlight EVERYTHING.
Choose the labeling style "Outline/Labels/Get Style/Indentation w/no labels."
Export the file to "PA -Paragraph" format. (File/Export/Paragraph)
Pick a file name and add the extension ".rtf" Note which folder the file is in.
Open the exported file in Inspiration. Inspiration will automatically convert the ".rtf" file to an Inspiration file.
To keep the GV file the way it was before you made these changes, do not close the file using the GrandView "Quit." Instead, with the GrandView window displayed, close it in Windows using one of the following:
Press the combination ALT-SPACEBAR, then choose CLOSE (works in XP, may work in others)
OR
Open the Windows Task Manager, choose GrandView and choose "End Task."
FOR SAFETY, do not delete your GrandView file. The conversion might have errors or might not have copied everything.
The one possible difficulty may be the limited size of each Inspiration note. I don't know what might happen if the conversion process encounters one that is too long.
I think that it might be worthwhile for those who have had success in accomplishing this, to tell the rest of us how they did it, particularly if they found an efficient procedure. As an example, I reproduce below the procedure I use for moving outlines from GrandView into Inspiration.
Based on several glowing accounts of UltraRecall (eg,. Pavi, Wolfgang), I used the Bits du Jour offer for UltraRecall Pro. I have much to learn, but in the few minutes I've tried to move info from Jot+ into other PIMs, UR seems to work by far the best.
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10/30/11:
The best approach (so far) that I've found for converting GV files to Inspiration is:
In the GV file, switch to "Outline View" and turn both "Columns" and "Category Display" OFF.
Expand EVERYTHING, then highlight EVERYTHING.
Choose the labeling style "Outline/Labels/Get Style/Indentation w/no labels."
Export the file to "PA -Paragraph" format. (File/Export/Paragraph)
Pick a file name and add the extension ".rtf" Note which folder the file is in.
Open the exported file in Inspiration. Inspiration will automatically convert the ".rtf" file to an Inspiration file.
To keep the GV file the way it was before you made these changes, do not close the file using the GrandView "Quit." Instead, with the GrandView window displayed, close it in Windows using one of the following:
Press the combination ALT-SPACEBAR, then choose CLOSE (works in XP, may work in others)
OR
Open the Windows Task Manager, choose GrandView and choose "End Task."
FOR SAFETY, do not delete your GrandView file. The conversion might have errors or might not have copied everything.
The one possible difficulty may be the limited size of each Inspiration note. I don't know what might happen if the conversion process encounters one that is too long.
MontrealFan
7/13/2012 3:57 pm
Hello all,
Also based on the positive reviews for UltraRecall, I just installed UltraRecall Pro. Does anyone have any advice for transferring MyLifeOrganized items to UR?
Also, does UR offer a separate to-do view that displays certain items that can be filtered, sorted, etc, similar to MLO's To-Do tab?
Thanks!
MontrealFan
Also based on the positive reviews for UltraRecall, I just installed UltraRecall Pro. Does anyone have any advice for transferring MyLifeOrganized items to UR?
Also, does UR offer a separate to-do view that displays certain items that can be filtered, sorted, etc, similar to MLO's To-Do tab?
Thanks!
MontrealFan
Cassius
7/13/2012 6:05 pm
MontrealFan wrote:
I, too, just purchased UR and know nothing about it, BUT the following MAY work if MLO is a 2-pane PIM with a tree on the left. It seems to work for Jot+ :
1. Fully expand your MLO tree.
2. Drag each individual first-level MLO tree node onto, say, the "Imported Items" node in the UR tree.
3. Did it work?
4. If so, drag each second level MSO tree node onto the corresponding first level node in UR.
5. Etc., etc.
As I said, it seems to work for Jot+.
AMAZING!!!
Does anyone have any advice for transferring MyLifeOrganized items to UR?
I, too, just purchased UR and know nothing about it, BUT the following MAY work if MLO is a 2-pane PIM with a tree on the left. It seems to work for Jot+ :
1. Fully expand your MLO tree.
2. Drag each individual first-level MLO tree node onto, say, the "Imported Items" node in the UR tree.
3. Did it work?
4. If so, drag each second level MSO tree node onto the corresponding first level node in UR.
5. Etc., etc.
As I said, it seems to work for Jot+.
AMAZING!!!
Cassius
7/13/2012 6:14 pm
I just tried the above procedure for moving Jot+ tree nodes into RightNote. It doesn't work for RightNote.
I then tried the procedure for moving Jot+ notes into TreePad Business. It works!!! -- except, one loses the name of the node and has to enter it manually.
I'll be trying more, after lunch.
I then tried the procedure for moving Jot+ notes into TreePad Business. It works!!! -- except, one loses the name of the node and has to enter it manually.
I'll be trying more, after lunch.
Cassius
7/13/2012 7:42 pm
I have tried the above procedure with other PIMs in my collection (not all of which I use and should uninstall). Again, the trial procedure is dragging a tree node from Jot+ onto a tree node in another PIM or into a blank (single pane) outline item. Here are the preliminary results so far:
INTO:
Ultra Recall -works
myBase - doesn't work
RightNote - doesn't work
KeyNote NF - doesn't work
TreePad Business - works, but you have to manually add the node name
Aml Pages - doesn't work
AllMyNotes - doesn't work
Inspiration - works (a tree node becomes an outline item)
Noteliner - doesn't work
THIS TESTING ONLY TAKES 5-10 MINUTES. WHY NOT TRY IT WITH SOME OF YOUR PIMS AND REPORT THE RESULTS!
INTO:
Ultra Recall -works
myBase - doesn't work
RightNote - doesn't work
KeyNote NF - doesn't work
TreePad Business - works, but you have to manually add the node name
Aml Pages - doesn't work
AllMyNotes - doesn't work
Inspiration - works (a tree node becomes an outline item)
Noteliner - doesn't work
THIS TESTING ONLY TAKES 5-10 MINUTES. WHY NOT TRY IT WITH SOME OF YOUR PIMS AND REPORT THE RESULTS!
$Bill
7/13/2012 8:19 pm
MontrealFan wrote:
Does anyone have any advice for transferring MyLifeOrganizedI have never used MyLifeOrganized...that said, I looked at the documentation of MLO.
items to UR?
MLO exports to XML and UR inports from XML...If I had any quantity of data in MLO, I would try that method to see if I got what I needed.
Also, does UR offer a separate to-do view that displays certain items
that can be filtered, sorted, etc, similar to MLO's To-Do tab?
Yes--See the demo here http://kinook.com/UltraRecall/demos/GTD.htm
and look at the GTD sample database.
I suggest you copy the GTD sample database for a quick start and begin to customize the filters (saved searches) and views from this starting point.
Cassius
7/13/2012 8:47 pm
Let's keep this ON TOPIC! Start a new topic for other things.
Cassius
7/17/2012 2:32 am
;As I discovered, one can drag a node from a Jot+ onto a tree in UltraRecall and T;reePad Business or onto a blank outline item in Inspiration and the right panel document corresponding to the node will be copied into the corresponding right pane in UltraRecall and in TreePad Business, or into the Inspiration outline item.
Regrettably, this drag-and-drop operation does NOT work between the three PIMs: UltraRecall, TreePad Business, and Inspiration.
Although the drag-and-drop operation was most efficient for Jot+ to UltraRecall, the uncertainty of the long term viability of UR has caused me hesitate in transferring all my Jot+ files to UR at this time. I guess I'll wait to see if UR's long-term viability improves. At present, TreePad and Inspiration appear to be far more likely to be around for a long time.
Regrettably, this drag-and-drop operation does NOT work between the three PIMs: UltraRecall, TreePad Business, and Inspiration.
Although the drag-and-drop operation was most efficient for Jot+ to UltraRecall, the uncertainty of the long term viability of UR has caused me hesitate in transferring all my Jot+ files to UR at this time. I guess I'll wait to see if UR's long-term viability improves. At present, TreePad and Inspiration appear to be far more likely to be around for a long time.
jimspoon
7/17/2012 11:19 am
Here is a lengthy explanation from the TreeProjects blog of how drag and drop is implemented in TreeProjects 2.4.2 (current version is now 2.7):
http://personaldatabase.org/drop-all-the-things-with-2-4-2#more-574
http://personaldatabase.org/drop-all-the-things-with-2-4-2#more-574
Cassius
7/17/2012 3:00 pm
jimspoon said:
Here is a lengthy explanation from the TreeProjects blog of how drag and drop is implemented in TreeProjects 2.4.2 (current version is now 2.7):
http://personaldatabase.org/drop-all-the-things-with-2-4-2#more-574
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I downloaded TreeProjects and found that I can, indeed, drag tree nodes from Jot+ onto the TP tree and the right pane information will also appear in TreeProjects. Like TreePad, however, the tree node name is lost and must be added manually.
I also tried dragging files onto TreeProjects, but I had problems trying to open them. No doubt, I don't know enough about how TreeProjects works. (E.g., when I open a new file and folder, what appears in the right pane is a mystery to me.)
Here is a lengthy explanation from the TreeProjects blog of how drag and drop is implemented in TreeProjects 2.4.2 (current version is now 2.7):
http://personaldatabase.org/drop-all-the-things-with-2-4-2#more-574
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I downloaded TreeProjects and found that I can, indeed, drag tree nodes from Jot+ onto the TP tree and the right pane information will also appear in TreeProjects. Like TreePad, however, the tree node name is lost and must be added manually.
I also tried dragging files onto TreeProjects, but I had problems trying to open them. No doubt, I don't know enough about how TreeProjects works. (E.g., when I open a new file and folder, what appears in the right pane is a mystery to me.)
J-Mac
7/19/2012 4:43 am
Cassius wrote:
Let's keep this ON TOPIC! Start a new topic for other things.
Huh? Topic is "Exporting Info From One PIM into Another PIM". The preceding post seemed to be about exactly that. Perhaps there were other posts that have been removed?
Jim
Cassius
7/19/2012 6:48 pm
J-Mac wrote:
The off-topic part was:
">Also, does UR offer a separate to-do view that displays certain items
"Yes?See the demo here http://kinook.com/UltraRecall/demos/GTD.htm
and look at the GTD sample database.
"I suggest you copy the GTD sample database for a quick start and begin to customize the filters (saved searches) and views from this starting point."
This may not seem that big a deal, but in a previous Topic, the "conversation" got so off topic that I started a new topic with the same name with "REDUX" addded.
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Cassius wrote: Let's keep this ON TOPIC! Start a new topic for other things.
Huh? Topic is "Exporting Info From One PIM into Another PIM". The preceding post
seemed to be about exactly that. Perhaps there were other posts that have been
removed?
Jim
The off-topic part was:
">Also, does UR offer a separate to-do view that displays certain items
that can be filtered, sorted, etc, similar to MLO?s To-Do tab?
"Yes?See the demo here http://kinook.com/UltraRecall/demos/GTD.htm
and look at the GTD sample database.
"I suggest you copy the GTD sample database for a quick start and begin to customize the filters (saved searches) and views from this starting point."
This may not seem that big a deal, but in a previous Topic, the "conversation" got so off topic that I started a new topic with the same name with "REDUX" addded.
