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Posted by Ike Washington
Jul 11, 2007 at 01:45 AM
Ike Washington wrote:
>From the right-hand panel in my Firefox
>browser, Scrapbook displays a perfect copy of an Orbitz.com search result.
.....snip…...
>And since it launched as a left-hand panel on my screen, I had a pretty nifty work
>flow: copy articles, pdfs into Firefox Scrapbook on the left, work in a wiki in the
>center, send finished work over to Net Snippets on the right. Pity it’s not being
>developed any further; but it’s fine for storing odds and ends.
>
>Ike
For anyone confused by my confusion over what’s left, what’s right, I meant, of course, that Scrapbook sits in Firefox’s left-hand panel and that Net Snippets has a right-hand panel.
It’s late where I am :).
Ike
Posted by Derek Cornish
Jul 11, 2007 at 08:10 PM
Ike,
>I use dt search here so this isn’t an issue for me.
Yes, good point. Scrapbook and NetSnippets store their retrieved data in the Windows file system - not in proprietary databases or in forms that desktop search programs can’t (or won’t) currently handle. The ability to index and search files without first having to export them is a really important benefit for those who like to be able to search across all their files in one go. As frequently mentioned here, the one thing that gets in the way of working with a number of different information-capturing or note-taking programs is the difficulty of retrieving information from all of them at once. Scrapbook and NetSnippets solve at least part of that problem. dtSearch can also index and search WR’s htm files (with some tinkering) - but only this file-type.
This is why I constantly dither over whether to standardize on WR (nice interface, neat features), or Scrapbook/NetSnippets - for ease of searching.
Derek
Derek
Posted by Ike Washington
Jul 12, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Derek Cornish wrote:
> Scrapbook
>and NetSnippets store their retrieved data in the Windows file system - not in
>proprietary databases or in forms that desktop search programs can’t (or won’t)
>currently handle. The ability to index and search files without first having to export them is a really important benefit for those who >like to be able to search across all their files in one go.
Another important benefit, something which makes Scrapbook “best” in my reckoning, is that any changes I make to my savings, highlights, notes, are saved in the actual html and so can be seen quite outside of Firefox. This means that any notes I add to the saved page are indexed by dt search and show up in its search results (which uses IE). Further, these pages are relatively future proof. As long as I can find a browser which reads html, I’ll be able to read my modifications.
Ike
Posted by Cassius
Jul 15, 2007 at 08:19 AM
7/15/2007:
So far only JJ and I appear to have done any comparative testing of Web page saving.
Here are my results so far.
[NOTE: The formatting of this page may become “messed up when I post it. Also. the Hotmail page URL may extend beyond the visible screen.]
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Hotmail article-you must have Hotmail account to open this.
MyBase:
With FF: Could not save
With IE: Could not save
With Web Research:
With FF: Could not save and DAMAGED WR and/or ScrapBook*
With IE: Saved, but required firewall permission to access internet
With Surfulater:
With FF: Could not save
With IE: Saved
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Originally tested by JJ using WR and UltraRecall (UR). My results follow:
MyBase:
With FF: Saved, but viewing in MB caused several IE ad windows to open
With IE: Saved, but viewing in MB caused several IE ad windows to open
With Web Research:
With FF: Saved*
With IE: Saved, but required firewall permission to access internet
With Surfulater:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved
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Originally tested by JJ using WR and UltraRecall (UR). My results follow:
MyBase:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved
With Web Research:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved, but required firewall permission to access internet
With Surfulater:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved
==============================================================
Originally tested by JJ using WR and UltraRecall (UR). My results follow:
MyBase:
With FF: Could not save properly
With IE: Could not save properly
With Web Research:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved, but required firewall permission to access internet and took VERY long
time
With Surfulater:
With FF: Saved
With IE: Saved
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Originally tested by JJ using WR and UltraRecall (UR). My results follow:
MyBase:
With FF: Couldn’t save
With IE: Saved, but very slow in showing part of page in MB
With Web Research:
With FF: Saved*
With IE: Saved, but required firewall permission to access internet
With Surfulater:
With FF: Saved (took several seconds)
With IE: Saved (on second try)
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Here’s one I did earlier, based on a comment by JJ (I think I did these using only FF):
Well, I tried it, except that I didn’t go all the way…I didn’t want to actually make a reservation and Southwest is cheaper and is nicer to its customers (except for no in-flight meals).
I stopped at the page where I was to enter my name, card number etc. I filled in a name and then saved the page using Web Research, Surfulater, and MyBase.
MB & WR saved the page perfectly, EXCEPT the filled-in blanks were blank. That is, information entered into the blanks was not saved.
Surfulater saved a version of a DIFFERENT page—a somewhat mangled version of the opening ORBITZ page. This is more than strange, as I have had another page that Surfulater saved better than did MB.
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* WARNING: When I tried in FireFox to save the Hotmail article
http://by124w.bay124.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Aux=0%2c0%2c633198934416300000&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&ReadMessageId=ba5ef438-5d52-48da-bc89-5423089944f8&n=42444845
WebResearch wouldn’t save it and WR also became damaged and could not save any other pages in Firefox. I tried reinstalling the WR FireFox add-on, but that didn’t help. I ended up using GoBack to return my system to a time before I first tried saving this page. WR then worked properly with all other Web saves EXCEPT when I finally again tried this Hotmail page. Again WR became damaged and wouldn’t save any other Web page. I suggest that one should not use WR for saving Hotmail pages.
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Posted by superoutliner
Jul 16, 2007 at 12:51 AM
What about Evernote? It can save web clips, and does it really well. And its overall features are pretty cool also.