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single-pane outliner with fields/columns
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Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Jan 23, 2012 at 04:01 PM
Thanks for the heads up on the Noteliner update, Bill. A great program just keeps getting better. With the exception of namesakes, Noteliner seems to me to be the program I wish Brainstorm had been (and much more).
Steve Z
Posted by jimspoon
Feb 2, 2012 at 07:57 AM
Dr Andus wrote:
>Noteliner can do tables, which might achieve the same
>effect:
>http://web.me.com/hawksworth/i/Main.html
Thanks Dr. Andus. I need to look at this more closely. For me, columns are mainly useful for the purpose of sorting and filtering items by the values that are contained within the columns. I’ll be interest to see if and how this can be done with the tables.
Posted by jimspoon
Feb 2, 2012 at 08:23 AM
Thomas wrote:
>MyInfo: http://www.milenix.com/images/main-feature-columns-large.png and
>next version of UltraRecall:
>http://www.kinook.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=3204
>
>I don’t know whether they
>can be switched to single pane mode, but if nothing else the document window can be
>minimized to the right side.
Thanks Thomas .. very enlightening indeed. I had to fumble around for awhile before I discovered how the MyInfo navigation pane can be expanded to show columns.
Too me it seems that separating the notes from the outline adds very little and just cripples the outliner. Ultra Recall has a navigation tree - essentially an outline of “item titles”. MyInfo has a similar outline of “document titles”. The actual text notes are contained in a separate pane, and they are not in outline format.
How much better to have the outline or “tree” consist of item text - as in Ecco and Infoqube, rather than just item titles. Each item text can be of any length; a mere heading, or a sentence, or a paragraph, or multiple paragraphs. It is possible to view the text of multiple items at the same time. Each item can be split or joined, and they can be rearranged freely. The items can readily be sorted and filtered by the values in the columns. If a bird’s eye view is required, TLIs can be simple headers and the whole outline can be collapsed to the TLIs with a single keystroke. And in Infoqube - longer form content, e.g. a saved web page, etc. - that should be maintained as a unit and not split up into shorter outline items - can readily be associated with an item and displayed in a separate pane. To me this is the best use of that separate pane.
And yet - it would seem a very simple matter to restore the same functionality in UR and MyInfo. Both allow the “item titles” to be wordwrapped - it would seem to be easy to allow line breaks, and splitting and joining of the “item titles”. In short, it would seem fairly easy to put the “notes” back into the outline, with full outlining functions, and leave the “item details” pane to include the longer content that doesn’t fit well into the outline. And MyInfo has added the columns to its tree of “document titles” - it shouldn’t be hard at all to include the same kind of filtering and sorting that Ecco and Infoqube have.
I would love to see UR have these things - especially since it has other features that seem compelling to me - like syncrhonization with external file system folders.
jim