I just uploaded the latest version of CRPA (Constructive Recollection Philosophy Application). It is the successor of PMM (Personal Memory Manager)I know that at this site in another thread, some of you have tested the software (thank you Alexander), run into Access Violation errors, which of course are horrible, and reported on their findings. I believe I have found and resolved the problem now in this new minor update.

However, I am not sure if the place where I found it, is exactly the same place where you did. If you still run into this problem or find more of this type (Access Violations), I promise will repair them and give you a free license for the new version that resolved it.

Page: http://crpa.co/CRPA-Software-Download.htm

Thank you for your serious attention.

Ron C. de Weijze
M2M Matter to Man
rdw@concepts-ict.nl

I'm intrigued by your product. However, the limited trial version is too limited to really test it out various ways - and given the $98 cost for the full program I wouldn't want to make that outlay without first testing it thoroughly.

Also, am wondering what the projected development path or roadmap is for CRPA.

Thank you.

Daly

Ron C. de Weijze wrote:

I just uploaded the latest version of CRPA (Constructive Recollection Philosophy
Application). It is the successor of PMM (Personal Memory Manager)I know that at this
site in another thread, some of you have tested the software (thank you Alexander),
run into Access Violation errors, which of course are horrible, and reported on their
findings. I believe I have found and resolved the problem now in this new minor update.


However, I am not sure if the place where I found it, is exactly the same place where
you did. If you still run into this problem or find more of this type (Access
Violations), I promise will repair them and give you a free license for the new version
that resolved it.

Page: http://crpa.co/CRPA-Software-Download.htm

Thank
you for your serious attention.

Ron C. de Weijze
M2M Matter to
Man
rdw@concepts-ict.nl

Daly de Gagne wrote:

I'm intrigued by your product. However, the limited trial version is too limited to
really test it out various ways - and given the $98 cost for the full program I wouldn't
want to make that outlay without first testing it thoroughly.

Also, am wondering
what the projected development path or roadmap is for CRPA.

Thank you.

Daly

Hello Daly,

I noticed that you downloaded CRPA and I thank you for your willingness to try it out. Although I am convinced that for debugging purposes only, the maximum numbers of objects are enough, I wouldn't mind changing the price for this special purpose, or, no price at all when the test is "positive", medically speaking.

In terms of development, what I really like to add as the next module, is what would be an instant artificial intelligence program, based on one's own input. Just imagine, how logically connected notes can make informed decisions, interacting with the user. Say in one session you have made note A lead to note B, and in another session note B lead to note C. Suppose you have forgotten this, then the system could predict where you want to go next, if you arrive at B from A. This can also be highly complex of course, using all sorts of antecedents and consequents, generating all sorts of "talk back". It would then be a consulting instrument that lets the user talk with himself including everything he ever knew, or has now forgotten. This could also be an expert system for other users, if they want it.

Another module on my wish-list is actually making the network that is created, move visually. It does rotate already since you can step into the network from any entry point, but there is no animation yet. Perhaps one day I will develop the skills to create that.

Thanks for your feedback.

Ron dW

Ron, thank you for your reply.

I think I had missed the debugging aspect - my apologies.

I will definitely try to work within the present parameters - I am intrigued by the program, yet to be honest, not sure how I might use it. I may, if it is possible, download some of the other examples you have provided, as to ways it might be used.

Is it correct to think of the program as a concept mapper, or is that simply an aspect of it?

I have time over the weekend to spend with it.

The idea of instant artificial intelligence is worthy considering also.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Enjoy the weekend.

Daly


Ron C. de Weijze wrote:

Daly de Gagne wrote:
>I'm intrigued by your product. However, the limited trial
version is too limited to
>really test it out various ways - and given the $98 cost for
the full program I wouldn't
>want to make that outlay without first testing it
thoroughly.
>
>Also, am wondering
>what the projected development path or
roadmap is for CRPA.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Daly

Hello Daly,

I noticed that you
downloaded CRPA and I thank you for your willingness to try it out. Although I am
convinced that for debugging purposes only, the maximum numbers of objects are
enough, I wouldn't mind changing the price for this special purpose, or, no price at
all when the test is "positive", medically speaking.

In terms of development, what
I really like to add as the next module, is what would be an instant artificial
intelligence program, based on one's own input. Just imagine, how logically
connected notes can make informed decisions, interacting with the user. Say in one
session you have made note A lead to note B, and in another session note B lead to note C.
Suppose you have forgotten this, then the system could predict where you want to go
next, if you arrive at B from A. This can also be highly complex of course, using all
sorts of antecedents and consequents, generating all sorts of "talk back". It would
then be a consulting instrument that lets the user talk with himself including
everything he ever knew, or has now forgotten. This could also be an expert system for
other users, if they want it.

Another module on my wish-list is actually making the
network that is created, move visually. It does rotate already since you can step into
the network from any entry point, but there is no animation yet. Perhaps one day I will
develop the skills to create that.

Thanks for your feedback.

Ron dW

Daly de Gagne wrote:

Ron, thank you for your reply.

I think I had missed the debugging aspect - my
apologies.

I will definitely try to work within the present parameters - I am
intrigued by the program, yet to be honest, not sure how I might use it. I may, if it is
possible, download some of the other examples you have provided, as to ways it might be
used.

Is it correct to think of the program as a concept mapper, or is that simply an
aspect of it?

I have time over the weekend to spend with it.

The idea of instant
artificial intelligence is worthy considering also.

I'll let you know how it
goes.

Enjoy the weekend.

Daly

You are welcome, Daly.

Yes it is a concept mapping tool, but it also provides multi-perspectivism and object-orientation, which integrate experience and knowledge over time, when you re-use the same objects such as notes and relations. It makes the sheets or concepts built from those notes and relations, overlap or integrate without your being aware of it. http://crpa.co/html/overlap.htm

If you are looking for other examples, apart from the one that was automatically installed, there are two more, that go with the videos.
http://crpa.co/CRPA-Application-Attorneys.htm
http://crpa.co/CRPA-Application-Economists.htm

Thanks again and have a good weekend,
Ron dW

I really need to focus on making more and better use of the software that I already have data in so I won't be testing your software. Still, I always enjoy checking out the various information managers.

There's been a lot of discussion over the last few years at the Personal Brain forums on a suggestion from the users called views, which is where parts of the network would appear or disappear according to filters on the tags, link type or thought type. None of the developers have ever commented on whether they're planning to implement this feature or not. Be that as it may, your program with its different sheets is a nice implementation of this idea.

Some of the users at the PB forums have pointed out that removing nodes in a group based on their type, or on the type of their links can easily leave islands of disconnected thoughts. True, but that's not a problem with CRPA because you have a list nearby with all the nodes. For PB it's an issue because if you only navigate with a visualization that occupies a virtual space much larger than your screen you don't really know what's there and what isn't. Creating a sheet, a sort of new level, and then deciding what goes there individually makes a lot more intuitive sense now that I've seen your demos. Perhaps a little more time consuming and that could be a problem if someone had a project with thousands of notes, but I like it.

Very interesting program. I hope you're successful with it.

Thanks for checking out CRPA anyway Tony. I don't know if you could export your data from other software to try it out in another context, but CRPA does allow import, via Excel as described here http://crpa.co/html/notes_and_sheets_from_outside_.htm

Views can develop and overlap, especially in the mind of a single user. In groups this makes sense when it applies to a repository that everybody agrees upon, such as the software itself. That may be why PB is a bit sluggish implementing it.

Sheets can be instantly filled, starting from any note that you find using the search engine, and then "expand" it. If a note is used in many sheets, it will expand into all notes on all sheets re-using that one note.

Success is not an easy find these days. Hopefully I can extend my philosophy a bit, that contains it.

TonyJ wrote:

that's not a problem with CRPA because you have a list nearby with all the nodes. For PB
it's an issue because if you only navigate with a visualization that occupies a
virtual space much larger than your screen you don't really know what's there and what
isn't. Creating a sheet, a sort of new level, and then deciding what goes there
individually makes a lot more intuitive sense now that I've seen your demos. Perhaps a
little more time consuming and that could be a problem if someone had a project with
thousands of notes, but I like it.

I think that CRPA's core concept is good common sense: collecting is one activity, organising is another. Interestingly, I haven't found many applications that support me in this approach (Brainstorm is by far my preferred). Perhaps, as Oscar Wilde apparently pointed out, common sense is anything but common.

My own suggestion for CRPA concerns Tony's last sentence above. Indeed, I would like to be able to do some kind of 'pre-organisation' of notes, via folders or tags. When working on a complex topic, or several interlinked topics, this would be quite useful.

Hello Alexander, my thoughts have often gone over ideas of 'pre-organizing' the notes, such as what I would call 'templates' for different kinds of logic that notes may be ordered by: lists, syllogisms, checklists, options etc. However, I believe that ICT has taught us how we should always 'normalize' our knowledge and basically use the E-R model (entity-relationship) for our knowledge, information and data. What I understand constructive recollection to be, is literally re-collecting notes from the past all the time, see how they are related, apply better logic if possible and add notes when needed. So I have hundreds of sheets, recollecting my notes, and every time my understanding changes, I create a new sheet and only carry over what I need. The 'pre-organization', as I understand it, would be essential for the talk-back expert-system that can be created instantly from the current network, that I mentioned earlier (answering Daly), for the system to decide what to do when nodes get complex. I really want to develop a module like that. It is my top priority.

Sounds fascinating, but I was thinking along rather simpler lines: already notes can be sorted chronologically or alphabetically, so I assume you saw some usefulness to these orders. What if notes could also be filtered, say, by their content. So, for example, I could filter all notes with the word 'dream'; even though the context of the use of the word may differ, the filtered notes would still provide a good starting point for my exploration of the term.

Since CRPA is also aimed at academics and lawyers, I see this kind of pre-organising as quite useful in their development of a paper or case.

Ron C. de Weijze wrote:

What I understand constructive recollection to be, is literally re-collecting
notes from the past all the time, see how they are related, apply better logic if
possible and add notes when needed. So I have hundreds of sheets, recollecting my
notes, and every time my understanding changes, I create a new sheet and only carry
over what I need. The 'pre-organization', as I understand it, would be essential for
the talk-back expert-system that can be created instantly from the current network,
that I mentioned earlier (answering Daly), for the system to decide what to do when
nodes get complex. I really want to develop a module like that. It is my top priority.

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:

Sounds fascinating, but I was thinking along rather simpler lines: already notes can
be sorted chronologically or alphabetically, so I assume you saw some usefulness to
these orders. What if notes could also be filtered, say, by their content. So, for
example, I could filter all notes with the word 'dream'; even though the context of the
use of the word may differ, the filtered notes would still provide a good starting
point for my exploration of the term.

Since CRPA is also aimed at academics and
lawyers, I see this kind of pre-organising as quite useful in their development of a
paper or case.

Aha, sorry I did not understand you the first time. The answer must be that you can simply search for any keyword globally through your knowledgebase, or only in notes (labels and text), sheets (labels and sheet description) or attachments (labels). The search results can be dragged and dropped into the tree anywhere they fit. For example, you look for your keyword 'dream' and find specific notes that are used in a number of sheets you created in the past. Every one of those sheets provides a context (or concept) for that specific note in that specific sheet. Then when you drag that note from the search results into an open sheet-window, it will find all other notes it was related to on any other sheet and visualize the relations, so that you can read the logic, or conclude that the logic is missing or contradictory.

http://crpa.co/CRPA-Software-Demo.htm (search start at 2 minutes and 30 seconds)
http://crpa.co/html/index.html?search.htm