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Posted by Sam Hawksworth
Jul 8, 2011 at 05:49 PM
Hi Cassius,
I am familiar with the ‘force’ left concept that you mentioned. This is the approach that Microsoft project takes (when the item has no children). The question is always: which is dominant the outline structure or the vertical position on the page. I did struggle with this question for a while. Technically the force left is only marginally more complex.
But if you are suggesting that there would be an option to force the vertical position to be maintained (i.e. pressing control when outdenting, or a function key) then that could make sense. The only challenge there is that it is another thing for people to learn.
Sam
Posted by Cassius
Jul 8, 2011 at 09:32 PM
Sam,
“Force right” and “force left” would not be used by most people. I found it useful but only very occasionally. I should mention that I used GV for almost everything. I made use of keyboard macros and remapped many of the key commands. I even modified the printer driver to enable the printing of mathematical equations.
P.S. GV also had “force up” and “force down” functions, although I can’t remember if ever used them.
-Cassius
Sam Hawksworth wrote:
>Hi Cassius,
>
>I am familiar with the ‘force’ left concept that you mentioned. This is
>the approach that Microsoft project takes (when the item has no children). The
>question is always: which is dominant the outline structure or the vertical position
>on the page. I did struggle with this question for a while. Technically the force left
>is only marginally more complex.
>
>But if you are suggesting that there would be an
>option to force the vertical position to be maintained (i.e. pressing control when
>outdenting, or a function key) then that could make sense. The only challenge there is
>that it is another thing for people to learn.
>
>Sam
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Jul 8, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Thanks for the response, Sam.
Your first paragraph reflects why, for me, I think it is necessary to be selective about what changes and additions are made.
The columns feature in a single-pane outliner and how you have enabled them is very cool. Elegant indeed.
The hide-able navigation tool bar on the side makes sense.
The in-line paragraphs (without bullet points) could make it harder to see parent-child relationship, though it could be understood that any in-line paragraphs, regardless of how many their might be, are the expansion or the embodiment of the idea or topic expressed in the bullet point immediately above them. As a writing tool, it can be helpful to work with a single-pane outliner because you can see aspects of consecutive points at one time. The in-line paragraphs would not really be a child of a parent so much as the development of what is in a bullet point.
To make it easy to move back and forth and to get an overview of the outline (apart from the navigation sidebar) it is helpful if there can be a command to hide the in-line paragraphs of one or some of the bullet points so that only the bullet points would be seen as they are now.
I think you caught what I intended with regard to the filter.
The inclusion of yesterday and tomorrow would be very helpful. Also, perhaps, a next week.
If it can be set up so that the yesterday, today, tomorrow labels shift to the appropriate dates with each new day it would be very helpful. Another thing that would be helpful wld be to be able to enter: Tomorrow 3 pm (or 1500h for those in the military or other fields geared to the 24 hr clock) meet/do/prepare etc. I am told that Lotus Agenda (someone pls correct me if I have name wrong) used to be very good back in the DOS days at accepting plain English commands like that.
This weekend I want to play around with the column feature and see what I can set up.
Cheers,
Daly
Sam Hawksworth wrote:
>Hi Daly,
>
>Thanks for providing the perspectives on different tools, I think the main
>reason I continue with Noteliner is that it does have all the features that I need, and I
>do use (almost) all. And lets face it, I enjoy the coding, its a hobby.
>
>After giving
>the two pane idea some thought and doing some research I agree it is not the right
>direction. I’m not so much concerned about the competition but the loss of immediacy
>and simplicity. However, I do think that Noteliner has grown (at least my main file has
>grown) beyond the simple todo outliner that it started as and that some improved
>navigation is needed. I’m thinking a hide-able read-only dialog-bar on the side of
>the window that would show part of the tree and allow you to jump to (hoist) different
>parts of the outline. What do you think?
>
>In terms of your more detailed ideas, I’m
>trying to decide which to include in 3.2, which I want to release ASAP, and what to put in
>3.3 along with the above. Here is what I’m thinking:
>
>- I agree that the more
>traditional approach of having the bullet stand free of the paragraph should at least
>be an option for a document (I originally avoided it to improve real-estate usage on my
>1995 CRT.) [3.3]
>- I agree that the option of not indenting a page would a good one. This
>would give you the inline paragraphs, but would also make it harder to understand the
>parent-child relationship. [3.3]
>- I was thinking about your idea of opening links
>with just one click today. You are right I think in that you only enter the link once, but
>you click it may times. [3.3]
>- In terms of defining your own filters are you saying
>that you might want to save a filter for quick access: like a search for the words “due
>date”?
>- The “today” idea is a nice one. Can also do “yesterday” and “tomorrow”.
>[3.2]
>
>Best,
>Sam
>
>
>
Posted by steve
Jul 9, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Hi Sam,
here’s a happy Noteline user from germany :)
I use Noteliner for everything :) I manage my business and my personal life with it.
And I am *very* excited about the upcoming features. In-line paragraphs would certainly help a lot.
(btw it runs perfectly in my Ubuntu-setup using Wine.)
Here’s my tiny list of feature suggestions :)
- In workflowy.com every word beginning with a ‘@’ or ‘#’ instantly becomes a tag. So no mouse clicks needed. Don’t know what others think but I find it very useful.
- It would be nice if I could select a tag filter view by using only the keyboard. So I hit Ctrl+4 and then I can somehow scroll through and select tags with my cursor keys (?!)
Thank you so much for your software. Can’t believe it’s free.
- Stefan
Posted by GeorgeB
Jul 9, 2011 at 10:20 PM
Noteliner is a nice find.
I’ve been playing with it as a to possible replacement for NoteMap.
In my work, I copy and paste a lot of multi-lined texts to NoteMap from other sources, and NoteMap can merge (ctl-M) lines that I feel need merging.
If only NoteMap could merge separate lines of text into one line of text.
Other that that, I like Noteliner and I’m working earnestly to fit it into my workflow.
Hey, I love the search function.
Adios, gB