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Posted by PIMfan
Mar 31, 2007 at 05:28 PM
Add me in as another person who tried UR and initially “didn’t get it”. I messed around with an eval copy of v2, but eventually let the evaluation period expire. For some unknown reason I was later drawn back to the Kinook website and ended up submitting a post in the forums about what I thought UR was missing. Kevin from Kinook responded that the v3 beta addresses each issue listed.
I downloaded the beta and within a week decided to purchase UR since I would get the V3 version free. Now I’m hooked.
UR v3 reminds me a bit of Ecco and Zoot from the standpoint of it being a “blank canvas” that you really need to get you mind around before you can leverage it effectively. I’m slowly getting there, and am more impressed with it as time goes on.
There’s still some things I want (inability to select and option for new tabs to be “blank” drives me batty). And I wish I could find a PIM that had a built-in NON-RTF outliner. An XML-based outliner like the one in the Oxygen XML Editor (see http://www.oxygenxml.com/xml_outliner.html) would be a key “over the top” feature for me.
But in the meantime, I’m very happy with UR v3, although I’ll always lament the day development of Ecco stopped.. :-(
PIMfan
Posted by Ike Washington
Apr 1, 2007 at 12:08 PM
I have to chime in here and say that I’m not particularly impressed by Ultra Recall. I tried it late last year and didn’t see anything that special. OneNote and EverNote seemed much more innovative, much better for those seeking everything-and-the-kitchen-sink solutions.
Since then, I’ve dropped OneNote - it’s good but I don’t want to spend money on yet another meta container.
As for EverNote, I was put off at first by its odd shape, its endless roll of digital paper, the emphasis on a timeline of notes. But I came across GTD Wannabe’s essay on setting up EverNote for academic research and was persuaded to give it a go: http://www.geocities.com/gtdwannabe/essays/usingENforResearch.htm
I’ve switched the timeline off. The roll of paper concept works well enough. I still don’t like its shape. For me, Evernote’s killer function (I’m using the free version) is its ability for on the fly tagging. And the newish beta takes care of various worries: tidier html exporting, easier category management, a notes list at the top of the roll.
As for Ultra Recall, after reading the latest posts on this forum, I gave it another go. And, yeah, it’s got panes and tags and it’s an outliner. And it crashed after five minutes.
Ike
Posted by Kenneth Rhee
Apr 1, 2007 at 03:50 PM
Ike,
Interesting. I’ve switched from Evernote to UR, and I have to say UR is so much more feature rich and adaptable that I don’t see myself ever going back. I’ve touted Evernote here and elsewhere in the past, and I think it’s still a good program but UR is so much better for my needs. I think one of the points some of us are trying to make is that in order to fully appreciate UR, you really got to give it a chance and use it for an extended period of time (definitely more than a few hours or days).
Ken
Ike Washington wrote:
>I have to chime in here and say that I’m not particularly impressed by Ultra Recall. I
>tried it late last year and didn’t see anything that special. OneNote and EverNote
>seemed much more innovative, much better for those seeking
>everything-and-the-kitchen-sink solutions.
>
>Since then, I’ve dropped OneNote -
>it’s good but I don’t want to spend money on yet another meta container.
>
>As for
>EverNote, I was put off at first by its odd shape, its endless roll of digital paper, the
>emphasis on a timeline of notes. But I came across GTD Wannabe’s essay on setting up
>EverNote for academic research and was persuaded to give it a go:
>http://www.geocities.com/gtdwannabe/essays/usingENforResearch.htm
>
>I’ve
>switched the timeline off. The roll of paper concept works well enough. I still don’t
>like its shape. For me, Evernote’s killer function (I’m using the free version) is its
>ability for on the fly tagging. And the newish beta takes care of various worries:
>tidier html exporting, easier category management, a notes list at the top of the
>roll.
>
>As for Ultra Recall, after reading the latest posts on this forum, I gave it
>another go. And, yeah, it’s got panes and tags and it’s an outliner. And it crashed
>after five minutes.
>
>Ike
Posted by Ike Washington
Apr 1, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Ken
Since trying out PIM software is very much a guilty pleasure for me these days, the fact that UR crashed within five minutes of setting up a new database was doubly irritating. I shouldn’t have been downloading it in the first place…
I’ve just been looking through UR’s online help and, yes, its features look good. Perhaps I’ll try again.
Further, tangentially, to your comment below, I wish more developers would follow Neville at Surfulater’s example - allow potential customers to evaluate software again, give us another bite three months, say, after we’ve used up the eval period.
Ken wrote:
>I think one of the points some of us are trying to make is that in order to fully appreciate UR, you really got to give it a chance and use it for an >extended period of time (definitely more than a few hours or days).
Ike
Posted by Kyle Alons
Apr 2, 2007 at 04:03 PM
>the fact that UR crashed within five minutes of setting up a new database was doubly
>irritating.
Ultra Recall is normally quite stable, and we’d like to fix any crash bugs. If you can send the following details to support@kinook.com, we will investigate.
1) The info from Help | About | Install Info
2) Run RegEdit and export the registry key “HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Kinook Software\Ultra Recall\Options”
3) Detailed steps to cause a crash in a new database
>Further, tangentially, to your comment below, I wish more developers
>would follow Neville at Surfulater’s example - allow potential customers to
>evaluate software again, give us another bite three months, say, after we’ve used up
>the eval period.
Ultra Recall expires after 60 days or 30 uses (whichever comes later). If your eval has expired and you need more time to evaluate, send a request to support@kinook.com and we’ll send another temporary eval key. Thanks.