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Posted by Dr Andus
May 5, 2011 at 03:03 PM
MadaboutDana wrote:
>There are other wonderful things on the
>iPad, including the lovely outliner CarbonFin (also shareable via web sync) and the
>neat, simple Wunderlist (ditto); both applications run on iPhone, too, so you can
>sync right across multiple platforms.
Bill,
Just wondering, what’s so special about Wunderlist? I use MLO (which syncs with iPhone over wifi), so I’m just wondering what I’m missing… Thanks. (I’m also a CarbonFin fan, by the way).
Posted by MadaboutDana
May 5, 2011 at 04:23 PM
I guess it’s all down to horses for courses. I’ve experimented with dozens of different task/project management apps, and I’ve found that there’s a real trade-off between bells and whistles and total confusion (where you actually spend more time fiddling around with task management than you spend doing the tasks!).
MLO looks very impressive, I will say. But: you have to pay money for the Pro service, and you have to pay again for the Cloud service… And it only runs on Windows and iPhone (not on Windows, Mac, iPhone, iPad and web browser, like Wunderlist).
Personally, I’ve tried using various outliners for task management, and always get frustrated. My favourite outliner in Windows, for example, is ListPro, for reasons I won’t bore you with, but I can’t use it as a task manager for long without feeling a strong need to scream (despite all the customisability!).
Commercially, I need a task manager that I can share with other people. Wunderlist (and CarbonFin) fit the bill wonderfully well - easy to share, easy to synchronise. And the learning curve on both of them is extremely shallow (a highly desirable business trait!), whereas I’ve found that some colleagues have a real resistance to working with outliners (they prefer simple categories/tags, and usually also some kind of date/calendar function).
Finally, Wunderlist is currently free, in all its incarnations. I don’t suppose that will last, but the boys in Berlin are tantalisingly teasing us with their next Big Thing, apparently some kind of collaboration platform, so I expect things will change.
Meanwhile we’re watching Apple with growing interest because of the rumoured iCloud launch in the summer, which may subsume both MobileMe and iWork.com. And mulling over whether we ought to change over to Apple Server in the near future, because of the highly desirable Spotlight feature, the unlimited clients, and the lovely online document preview function (apparently enhanced for Wiki Server 3, due out in OS X Lion). Not to mention all the sharing options, including WebDAV, CalDAV etc. etc. - perfect for intranets and extranets. Well, I say perfect: I should know better, having been disappointed in the past, but my optimism is based on considerable research!
Actually, it’s an exciting time to be a small business! Apart from minor economic/financial fluctuations, of course… aha, aha, aha…
Cheers,
Bill
Posted by Dr Andus
Oct 31, 2013 at 07:06 PM
Captain CowPie wrote:
>Apple is expected to update iWorks sometime soon, so hopefully we will
>get a plethora of new and exciting features.
Is that true that Apple killed off outlining in iWorks? That sounds like a retrograde move…
“iWork was recently upgraded, and Apple did such a poor job of it that some iWorks users are giving it up for Office. In the upgrade, Apple dumbed-down iWorks considerably, and iWorks users have been flooding the Apple support forums with complaints. Among the features Apple killed were the outline view, facing pages, being able to save in RTF format, and over 100 templates.”
Posted by Paul Korm
Oct 31, 2013 at 10:01 PM
Yes—outlines are gone from Pages. All three of the new iWork apps on OS X Mavericks are ugly and dumbed down. I enjoyed working with Pages and Numbers in their pre-Mavericks state. They were pleasant, slightly quirky, but unobtrusive full-featured applications. It would be an interesting case sturdy to see how the Apple corporate machinery came to decide to release these new versions.
For anyone who has the older versions installed, they are still working—though they do not work with iCloud correctly.
Dr. Andus wrote
>Is that true that Apple killed off outlining in iWorks? That sounds like a retrograde move…
Posted by Paul Korm
Nov 6, 2013 at 09:47 PM
Apple announces it plans to “reintroduce” some features removed from Pages, Numbers, and Keynote in the latest releases, with updated releases in “the next 6 months”. Though not mentioning outlining in Pages.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049