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Posted by MadaboutDana
Mar 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Nah, it’s a cynical, suspicious grown-up thing. Anybody involved in business is much less likely to store their info on some unknown third-party website which could be raided at any time by some over-the-top, terrorist-obsessed American law enforcement agency…
;-)
Bill
Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Mar 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>P.S. It’s interesting that no one so far has mentioned web-based tools like
>http://thinklinkr.com/ (unless I missed it). Yet for many people nowadays,
>software is something you can access from your browser, usually for free. I wonder if
>it’s a generational thing.
It’s probably partially generational. But also, I suspect most of the people who comment here are like me, sort of obsessed with these tools. So we want to own the ones we use. Additionally, we are not convinced that web-based software is safe or really reliable. What if EccoPro was web-based (forgetting the fact that when it was first introduced, the web was barely begun), it would be nothing but a distant memory. Since it was code you could put on your own computer, it still has a thriving user base 15 years after development ended.
Posted by Dr Andus
Dec 14, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Just to summarise, here is a list of outliners for Windows that are either single-pane or can be used as single-pane outliners and still seem to be available:
ConnectedText
Ecco Pro
InfoQube
Inspiration 9
ListPro
MaxThink
Natara Bonsai
Noteliner
NoteMap
Outline 4D
SplashNotes
TKOutline
Ultra Recall
UV Outliner
Posted by jimspoon
Dec 15, 2012 at 02:15 PM
bHi Dr. Andus, I was puzzled by the inclusion of Ultra Recall in the list of single-pane outliners, so I was experimenting with it for awhile. If true, it would be great, because UR has many strengths. Then I looked at some of the thread and saw Jon Polish’s comment that UR could be used as a single-pane outliner if you enter your notes into the Data Explorer pane (tree), rather than into the Item Details (editor) pane. Unfortunately, the Data Explorer is really designed only to contain item “titles”; in fact in the text that appears in the tree is the text in the “Item Title” attribute that appears in the Attributes pane. And if the Data Explorer pane is used as a single-pane outliner, it’s very clumsy and limited.
It would be great if UR were modified to make the Data Explorer a more capable single-pane outliner - with more text editing functions (formatting, split/join, multiple paragraphs) and with integrated columns. Unfortunately there’s not much indication that UR will ever be so modified.
MyInfo is similar in that it’s Tree Editor pane could be used as a single pane outliner - and in fact MyInfo’s tree editor pane does have integrated columns. It would be great if it were modified to make it a more capable single pane outliner.
Posted by Dr Andus
Dec 15, 2012 at 02:57 PM
jimspoon wrote:
bHi Dr. Andus, I was puzzled by the inclusion of Ultra Recall in the
>list of single-pane outliners, so I was experimenting with it for
>awhile. If true, it would be great, because UR has many strengths. Then
>I looked at some of the thread and saw Jon Polish’s comment that UR
>could be used as a single-pane outliner if you enter your notes into the
>Data Explorer pane (tree), rather than into the Item Details (editor)
>pane. Unfortunately, the Data Explorer is really designed only to
>contain item “titles”; in fact in the text that appears in the tree is
>the text in the “Item Title” attribute that appears in the Attributes
>pane. And if the Data Explorer pane is used as a single-pane outliner,
>it’s very clumsy and limited.
>
>MyInfo is similar in that it’s Tree Editor pane could be used as a
>single pane outliner - and in fact MyInfo’s tree editor pane does have
>integrated columns. It would be great if it were modified to make it a
>more capable single pane outliner.
>
Yes, I’ve only included it because it was mentioned earlier in the thread. As you suggest, there might be other two-pane outliners out there that could be forced to act as single-pane outliners, but what would be the point, when Noteliner and TKOutline are available for free and would be much more suitable.
Some task managers could also be used as single-pane. E.g. MLO even has a Bonsai export filter but I couldn’t get it work satisfactorily.
In fact there must be some additional 2-pane outliners that allow you to use the 2nd pane as a single-pane outliner. I’ve seen one recently but can’t recall it now.
I guess MS Word and OneNote could be added to the list.
The main point here is how short this list is, compared to possibly hundreds of dual-pane outliners and PIM. As single-pane outliners are most likely to be used for writing (as opposed to note-taking and organising), writers seem to be poorly served.
Would anyone be willing to add a list of single-pane outliners for other OS’s? Perhaps using a virtualisation machine like https://www.virtualbox.org/ might extend the choice for PC users, if there are some good single-pane outliners on the Mac or Linux?