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Posted by Chris Murtland
Mar 10, 2007 at 02:34 PM
There are some things on the forum about using different DLLs for the rich text editor in UR, and you can opt to use the Office RTF editor during installation. I haven’t had problems pasting images into the editor, but I’ve only used images with fairly small file sizes. I also don’t really use any formatting or tables, so I’m probably not the person to comment on RTF editing. In the few cases where I have to create a formatted document, I just use Word.
One interesting thing, at least for Word users, is that UR can index and store Word files as well. So, I just store the Word docs that I need in UR alongside everything else, and can launch them at any time. There is also a way to edit Word files directly within UR (Word is loaded in the same way that it can load within Internet Explorer), but I haven’t found that useful enough to enable it.
Chris
Posted by Graham Rhind
Mar 10, 2007 at 03:03 PM
Hi Chris,
At the risk of turning this into a support forum ... a final comment about this:
Even using the Office DLL and downloading the alternative from Kinook, what happens to me is this:
1) I am typing some text as a topic (or whatever Kinook calls them)
2) I want to add a picture. I cannot add a picture from a file (which I want to do). Instead I have to open up another program, open up the picture file, copy it to the clipboard, then go back to UR, and then paste it. For me this is ludicrous and already a reason not to use it. BUT:
3) I now get a LINK to the image (NOT the image) in my text. To view the image I have to click the link, so the image opens in the “browser” window of UR.
4) I.e., I don’t get the text and image together.
Looking at the forum, I see others have reported this, and Kinook seem to have regarded it as a bug, though I get the impression from the thread that they don’t really understand what the “complainer” was getting at in the threads and that UR is made that way. Anyway, (2) above still seems to be a really major issue, but there we are ....I’ll keep an eye on the support forum to see if they resolved the issue. It’s been outstanding for a while.
Graham
Chris Murtland wrote:
>There are some things on the forum about using different DLLs for the rich text editor
>in UR, and you can opt to use the Office RTF editor during installation. I haven’t had
>problems pasting images into the editor, but I’ve only used images with fairly small
>file sizes. I also don’t really use any formatting or tables, so I’m probably not the
>person to comment on RTF editing. In the few cases where I have to create a formatted
>document, I just use Word.
>
>One interesting thing, at least for Word users, is that UR
>can index and store Word files as well. So, I just store the Word docs that I need in UR
>alongside everything else, and can launch them at any time. There is also a way to edit
>Word files directly within UR (Word is loaded in the same way that it can load within
>Internet Explorer), but I haven’t found that useful enough to enable it.
>
>Chris
Posted by Chris Murtland
Mar 10, 2007 at 03:15 PM
Graham Rhind wrote:
>2) I want to add a picture. I cannot add a picture from a file (which I want to do).
>Instead I have to open up another program, open up the picture file, copy it to the
>clipboard, then go back to UR, and then paste it. For me this is ludicrous and already a
>reason not to use it. BUT:
I agree that there should be the ability to browse for an image file to insert.
>3) I now get a LINK to the image (NOT the image) in my text. To
>view the image I have to click the link, so the image opens in the “browser” window of
>UR.
That’s odd. That doesn’t happen for me, but I guess there is something machine-specific going on.
I do think UR has been positioned as an information storage database and that editing features are pretty basic. I think it’s evidence that at this point (or ever?), one tool is not going to suit every purpose.
Chris
Posted by Graham Rhind
Mar 10, 2007 at 03:36 PM
Apologies to all: one final remark - maybe somebody, sometime will find it useful.
This discussion stirred an ancient memory of a problem I had some time ago with Whizfolders, and its resolution. If you have problems in pasting images into programs such as UR or Whizfolders using rtf editors (i.e. a link is opened instead of the image), open a new Word document, insert the image, copy the image to the clipboard then paste it to UR/Whizfolders/whatever. For some reason this works whereas pasting from other applications doesn’t.
Graham
Chris Murtland wrote:
>>3) I now get a LINK to the image (NOT the
>image) in my text. To
>>view the image I have to click the link, so the image opens in the
>“browser” window of
>>UR.
>
>That’s odd. That doesn’t happen for me, but I guess there
>is something machine-specific going on.
>
>Chris
>
Posted by Dominik Holenstein
Mar 10, 2007 at 06:30 PM
Graham
Rtf is a tricky issue for software developers.
There seem to be several dlls and APIs (Application Programming Interfaces) available to integrate into an application.
IdeaMason has a short description regarding this issue here:
http://forum.ideamason.com/viewtopic.php?t=21
It gets more complicated now with having Win2000, WinXP and Vista around.
Dominik