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Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
May 14, 2011 at 03:52 PM
MadaboutDana wrote:
>In any
>case, judging by some of the other applications that have appeared in these pages, I
>think I can safely assume it will be of interest nevertheless… ;-)
From the Dutch makers of a very interesting task management tool, Thymer, comes a new platform for collaborative knowledge building. It’s called Papyrs and you can ask for a beta invitation at http://www.papyrs.com/
I’m posting it here as it seems relevant to the discussion, even though it is also not a real outliner (but in my eyes it’s much better than a wiki)
Posted by MadaboutDana
May 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Thanks for the ref, Alexander - looks very interesting and very attractive (not dissimilar to Vialect’s Noodle), but manages to infuriate me by failing to mention ‘Search’ at all. Why is it that people put together lovely collaborative platforms but totally fail to focus on search? Look at fascinating products like eyeOS or SohoOS - yes, they have ‘search’, but no, it’s not full-text, and doesn’t have any sophisticated options. Knowledge management without search is like, well, I dunno, Sauron without his Ring, perhaps (oh dear, geeky analogy of the week - quick, shoot me, somebody, I was watching Die Hard 4 over the weekend and see? that’s what happens…). It’s my major issue with Kerio Workspace, too - it’s got an amazing search engine (really fast ‘n’ powerful), and supports Boolean searches, BUT - and it’s a big but - if you’ve got multiple “components” on a page, any search you run won’t correlate data between the different components (on the same page). Quick example. Say you’ve got a page with a single text component which includes the words “Google” and “apps” in it: if you put together a search query:
+google +apps
then that page will appear in the search results. But if you’ve got a page with TWO text components, one of which has the word “Google” in it, and the other of which has the word “apps” in it, then the same search query will come up with zero results. That’s pretty silly!
Search is a very difficult thing to get right, but it’s also crucial. Until we start working in 100% semantic environments, search is an essential adjunct to any kind of knowledge management solution.
End of rant!
Bill
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Jan 12, 2012 at 12:41 AM
FYI, Papyrs now has search, and actually a rather good one apparently http://blog.stunf.com/search-for-papyrs-and-more/
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Jan 26, 2012 at 09:23 PM
FYI, Papyrs has just launched http://www.papyrs.com/signup/
If anybody’s interested in signing up, I have a 10% reduction code to give. Just mail me at adeliyannis [at] gmail [dot] com
Posted by Dr Andus
Jan 27, 2012 at 12:53 AM
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>FYI, Papyrs has just launched http://www.papyrs.com/signup/
This reminds me of a service I used back around 2000 called teamon.com. It pretty much provided all these things, plus email, and the free version was good enough for setting up a small team. It became my main email platform and workspace, until 2 yrs later they closed down. I had to wait for several years before Google started offering something similar (Google Doc etc.). The moral of the story? I guess I’ve become cagier in giving my life over to new services. On the other hand we need innovation on the fringes. But what is new exactly with Papyrs? On the face of it it looks very similar to Google Docs and whatever the Microsoft equivalent is…