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Posted by quant
Aug 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I had a look, created two items connected them and moved them around.
This is the result:
http://tinypic.com/r/293ayo9/4
How ridiculous is that?
There is no “optimize links” or sth like that, unless I missed the point?
I think any program that allows you to move items should have in version 0.0.0 function that optimizes link, i.e finding the closest path which connects two items such that it minizes overlap with other items (or themselves, which you’d think should not happen, but in this soft it is possible because the point where the link starts from item boundary is fixed).
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>Aibase http://www.aibase-cs.com/ can be described as a graphical object oriented
>database which is as flexible and powerful as it is idiosyncratic. I suggest you take a
>look at it if you make extensive use of graphics in your information notes.
>
>quant
>wrote:
>>Is there a PIM where link itself
>>is some type of an item in which you can write
>(html/rft) ?
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Aug 18, 2010 at 07:44 PM
quant wrote:
>How ridiculous is that?
I don’t know if it is ridiculous, but I am certain that it is purposeful. Note my earlier phrase “as flexible and powerful as it is idiosyncratic”.
A few years ago I spent a weekend ill in bed and took advantage of it by playing around with Aibase. I was genuinely impressed by what one can do with it and still am. I don’t think there’s anything else like it out there and, if I ever went back to electronic engineering, I’d definitely put it to heavy use.
That said, I decided that it wasn’t what I needed for my everyday data, whose structure is usually much more conventional (tables, outlines and mind maps are sufficient for me).
In any case, you might want to check another user’s opinion here: http://www.outlinersoftware.com/messages/viewm/1507
Posted by quant
Aug 19, 2010 at 02:42 PM
I really can’t see any purpose in the link going all around the empty space, ... might be just me ... in any case thanks for suggestion.
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>quant wrote:
>>How ridiculous is that?
>
>I don’t know if it is ridiculous, but I am
>certain that it is purposeful. Note my earlier phrase “as flexible and powerful as it
>is idiosyncratic”.
>
>A few years ago I spent a weekend ill in bed and took advantage of
>it by playing around with Aibase. I was genuinely impressed by what one can do with it
>and still am. I don’t think there’s anything else like it out there and, if I ever went
>back to electronic engineering, I’d definitely put it to heavy use.
>
>That said, I
>decided that it wasn’t what I needed for my everyday data, whose structure is usually
>much more conventional (tables, outlines and mind maps are sufficient for me).
>
>In
>any case, you might want to check another user’s opinion here:
>http://www.outlinersoftware.com/messages/viewm/1507
Posted by Zman
Sep 13, 2010 at 08:41 PM
Zoot 6 is slowly taking over the funcitons of most of my other info toys…but its not great at visualization (neither is InfoQube’s Map view). I ran across an interesting program today and remembered this disucssion - check out “Visual Understanding Environment”
http://vue.tufts.edu/index.cfm
This has a lot of hidden power and in fact among other things provides for annotation of links between nodes - to include the ability to attach/link them to files or URLs. I’m playing with it to see if there is a way to import my PersonalBrain info to it cleanly (looks possible via XML). I’m impressed at the quality given that its open source. will play with export capabilites too.
I haven’t seen this discussed in this forum (though that does not mean it has not been mentioned)...Anybody used it before?
Zman
(a long time lurker and first time poster with a very long and chronic CRIMPer habit MAC/PC/LINUX)
Posted by quant
Sep 18, 2010 at 08:17 PM
vue seems interesting, but it doesn’t support one/two features that I consider crucial.
1. It offers many ways to reorganize map, but none of them reorganize data so that items connected to the selected item are moved closer to it to see crearly the connection on the small map. Imagine a big map, and you connect two items that are far way. You can fade away rest of the map, but the link goes through the whole map and everything is too small.
2. no attempt to position items to minimize text/items overlap.
Zman wrote:
>Zoot 6 is slowly taking over the funcitons of most of my other info toys…but its not
>great at visualization (neither is InfoQube’s Map view). I ran across an interesting
>program today and remembered this disucssion - check out “Visual Understanding
>Environment”
>
>http://vue.tufts.edu/index.cfm
>
>This has a lot of hidden power
>and in fact among other things provides for annotation of links between nodes - to
>include the ability to attach/link them to files or URLs. I’m playing with it to see if
>there is a way to import my PersonalBrain info to it cleanly (looks possible via XML).
>I’m impressed at the quality given that its open source. will play with export
>capabilites too.
>
>I haven’t seen this discussed in this forum (though that does not
>mean it has not been mentioned)...Anybody used it before?
>
>Zman
>(a long time lurker
>and first time poster with a very long and chronic CRIMPer habit MAC/PC/LINUX)