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UV Outliner Now Supports Columns
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Posted by Manfred
Jan 26, 2010 at 11:32 PM
I really didn’t want to damp any enthusiasm. It was just about a fact.
I also hope that there will be more development at the one-pane outliner front.
Posted by Lucas
Jan 27, 2010 at 12:17 AM
I was going to mention Ecco Pro as well, but then it occurred to me that in certain narrowly technical sense, Daly’s point about UV Outliner is correct, because Ecco Pro has more than one pane. Of course, the conventional meaning of the term “one-pane outliner” does indeed apply to Ecco Pro, but given that the application interface includes (at least) two panes, I wonder if it isn’t time that we developed a new vocabulary to refer to such distinctions. Perhaps Ecco Pro could be described as a two-pane intrinsic outliner?
Sorry for the somewhat irrelevant tangent.
Posted by Manfred
Jan 27, 2010 at 12:41 AM
I don’t think this comment is irrelevant, but I don’t quite understand the point. The outline is just one pane (with or without columns as you want).
You can open up the Folder View (but there is no need to do so under most circumstances). So Ecco Pro really is a one-pane outliner according to my lights. But perhaps I don’t understand the technical point.
Manfred
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Jan 27, 2010 at 01:28 AM
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
>*I am assuming that InfoQube also has columns, but I have a hard time considering IQ a single-pane outliner when it is so much more.
>
The same as for Ecco Pro. Being a one-pane outliner + (...) still makes it a one-pane outliner. Columns (and the other stuff) are optional. ;-)
Posted by Lucas
Jan 27, 2010 at 02:18 AM
Manfred wrote:
>I don’t think this comment is irrelevant, but I don’t quite understand the point. The
>outline is just one pane (with or without columns as you want).
>
>You can open up the
>Folder View (but there is no need to do so under most circumstances). So Ecco Pro really
>is a one-pane outliner according to my lights. But perhaps I don’t understand the
>technical point.
>
Good point. I never use Ecco without the Folder View, so I was forgetting that it’s optional. But I could just as well imagine a so-called “two-pane outliner” in which some users might generally keep the folder/hierarchy view hidden and just work in the text pane. In other words, it seems to me that the key issue is what’s in the pane (whether it’s hierarchical), rather than how many panes there are. Mori, incidentally, has a similar set up to Ecco, with both the hierarchical folder pane and the hierarchical “main pane” being typically visible by default (although the folders can be hidden). So would Mori be called a one-pane outliner?
As for the intrinsic/extrinsic distinction, I just took that from the Wikipedia page on outliners, which seems to cite some Microsoft source. But I’m not sure I understand it properly.
(I hasten to add that I haven’t properly search the archives, so this may have all been discussed before.)