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Posted by Derek Cornish
Jan 6, 2007 at 04:30 PM
Graham -
Sounds exciting. So emacs, as well as being a text editor, is also something of a control centre for other activities. I especially like the way Jabref works. Are you starting a bibliographic database from scratch or can one import existing bibliographies into Jabref?
How do you parcel out your time as between emacs and Lyx for writing? Presumably you could use emacs for LaTeX, as well. It looks as thought Zoot “as is” would fit in well to this way of working.
Sorry about the further questions. If you have a url to your version of emacs I’d like to go and take a look.
Derek
Posted by Graham Smith
Jan 6, 2007 at 04:59 PM
Derek
>Are you starting a bibliographic database from scratch or can one import existing
>bibliographies into Jabref?
Jabref imports most things, so I exported my biblioscape database as something that imported directly into Jabref. Refer-endnote is what I used. You can also access the same *.bib database in Lyx to add in text citations which automatically add the full reference at the end of the document. So I can fully access the same database in Jabref, Emacs and Lyx
>How do you parcel out your time as between emacs and Lyx
>for writing?
Errmm, still working on this, I’ve only had them installed for a couple of weeks. But I get the feeling that Lyx will probably only be used for “full reports”
>Presumably you could use emacs for LaTeX, as well.
Indeed it does - but I can’t get it to work, at the moment ! See below
>It looks as thought Zoot “as is” would fit in well to this way of working.
It seems to fill an obvious gap.
Useful URLs.
I downloaded the windows version of emacs from http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/
This only requires you to set up an emacs directory and extract the files into the directory.
Auctex is the Latex addin for Emacs, and by downloading emacs from their site it is already set up. However, you do need other applications loaded. GhostView, Ghostscript, MikTex, ImageMagick, for me these were pre-loaded because I had already installed Lyx so it was pretty painless install for me. But I see Lyx as part of the whole “package” so I would install Lyx first.
You also need to set up a home directory - instructions in some of the links below, and a .emacs configuration file, except you can’t do this in Windows so you can use _emacs instead.
The Org Mode wiki is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/OrgMode (addins are called “modes”)
The org mode home page is at http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/
emacs wiki at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki
Lyx wiki http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Welcome
The Woodnotes guide to emacs for writers is at http://therandymon.com/content/view/16/79/
Some comments on the Plannner option is at
http://pigpog.com/node/1974 and the wiki is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/PlannerMode
That should be enough to get started !
Graham
Posted by Graham Smith
Jan 6, 2007 at 05:18 PM
Derek,
Just to add to the all in one idea of Emacs, I have just found a firefox extension that gives Firefox the same look and key strokes as Emacs. Its still Firefox, but it does extend the value of leaning all the emacs key strokes.
It doesn’t work with any other firefox extensions so a bit limited at the moment, but I would have thought a good leaning tool for the emacs keystrokes.
Graham
Posted by Derek Cornish
Jan 7, 2007 at 04:35 AM
Graham -
Thanks very much for the urls. I’m going to have a go with Lyx and emacs as soon as I’ve cleared the decks this week.
The Woodnotes Guide was particularly helpful. How are you dealing with the word wrap issue (Section 14)? The author seems to hint that using “filling” as a way to achieve the usual word-wrapped display may lead to problems if, instead of sticking with LateX, one decides to hand the finished text over to a publisher instead.
If it were not for Zoot and a few other programs, the temptation to move over to Linux would be hard to resist…
Derek
Posted by Graham Smith
Jan 7, 2007 at 08:34 AM
Derek
>How are you dealing with the word wrap issue (Section 14)?
The org.mode defaults to using longlines.el and I have been using this mode for my experimentation with emacs, so haven’t had to think about it that much.
>using “filling” as a way to achieve the usual word-wrapped display may lead to
>problems if, instead of sticking with LateX, one decides to hand the finished text
>over to a publisher instead.
So far not had the problem, but clipcache and other clipboards, and indeed Zoot have plain text clean up modes that I thought might work. On the other hand many publishers accept PDFs so that is one route.
AND, Adobe Acrobat Professional has a convert to Word capability, and there are low cost PDF to Word converters available, such as AllPDF, which I am using.
>If it were not for Zoot and a few other programs, the temptation to move over to Linux would be hard to resist…
Yes, I ran Linux for a few months in a spare box, and my long term plan is to move over to it as my main OS, but like you I have a few important Windows only programs that are slowing the transition. Indeed my current plan has Adobe Acrobat playing a critical role, so I am going to have to have a Mac or Windows box in my system somewhere.
Having said that, I bought Crossover office when I was using Linux and I had MSoffice running happily in Linux. Didn’t try anything else, and not all programs work with crossover office as it is only emulating Windows. But, of course there are also programs like Win4lin that run Windows inside Linux. These allow you to run (I think) any Windows program inside Linux. Both these options still allow you to drag and drop between linux and Windows programs etc so it is pretty seamless in use.
A bonus being that Windows programs run faster on Linux than they do in Windows !!
Certainly MSOffice on my 663Mhz Linux box using Crossover office ran at about the same speed as it was running on my 1400Mhz (AMD 1600) Windows box. Both with 512Mb RAM.
Proper tests did show that the Windows box was still faster, but only fractionally. Of course the Windows box wasn’t fresh install so it was probably running slower than it could have been.
Good luck with your foray into Lyx and emacs, it is certainly very different from learning your average Windows program. At least as a Scot, I can pronounce Latex properly :-)
Graham