I don't think this is the same "Vellum" that's been mentioned here before, but, whatever, it looks interesting. I don't have a copy, just on the waiting list. It uses a SQL database, which I'm not wild about, but has some amount of Tana-like features, which is a good thing.

https://vellumnotes.app

I have beta access to Vellum. The app works well. The Tana data import is smooth. I haven't used it intensively but didn't encounter any serious issues.

Since Vellum doesn't have mobile apps yet, I'm using Tine (https://tine.page/ now. It's targeted towards Logseq OG users but I like the capability of using markdown files as outliners.

I took a look at Tine's website, it seems very interesting.

Deb, can you tell us about your experience with Tine?

Thanks for the reference.

Thanks for letting us know about this Paul. I too have access to the beta now and trying it out.

What attracted me to try it out was the description:
"when you sit down to write, you don’t always know what the thing is yet. an outline? a document? a few bullets that turn into three paragraphs that turn into a chapter? most apps make you answer that before you’ve written a word. "
I was interested how Vallum presented solution to this.

Also, I am interested in whether Vellum can accommodate long-form writing and provide a UI to make this possible in.

I received access to the Vellum beta and Discord. I've had no success in importing my Tana workspace -- it's 95,000 nodes and very complex with lots of images, supertags, and plugins, so I'm not surprised that Vellum is unable to handle it. Maybe in time the devs will sort out the complexities, because for now I think they're the only shop that seems to want to provide an exit strategy from Tana Outliner.

Sorry for hijacking the thread to talk about another app.

I'm still experimenting with Tine. Currently I use it at work and for personal things.

At work I use the daily note to track todos and record what happens during the workday, kind of in the interstitial journaling style. I have different pages for projects and recurring meetings. I use queries to have an organized view for todos that are scattered in the aforementioned pages. Fortunately, the app works fully offline, so the notes stay on the work PC and should meet the IT requirements.

For personal life, I have different pages for areas of life that I would like to keep track of. For example, I have a page to track writing ideas, another to track reading progress, yet another for research notes on the topics I'm interested in.

There's a feature called "Namespaces" which I'm not sure if it's also in Logseq. Basically the user can add a prefix to a page name (e.g. Project/Writing). Then, in the "Namespaces" section of the app, all documents with the prefix would be nested under it, and the section can be collapsed.

All files created in Tine are just Markdown files. I point the workspace to a folder in Dropbox through which I sync to my Mac and Android devices.

Oh lord! My CRIMPself is suffering from Aching Brain syndrome...

Still, it's got to be better than doomscrolling!

Deb wrote:

Sorry for hijacking the thread to talk about another app.

I'm still experimenting with Tine. Currently I use it at work and for personal things.

At work I use the daily note to track todos and record what happens during the workday, kind of in the interstitial journaling style. I have different pages for projects and recurring meetings. I use queries to have an organized view for todos that are scattered in the aforementioned pages. Fortunately, the app works fully offline, so the notes stay on the work PC and should meet the IT requirements.

For personal life, I have different pages for areas of life that I would like to keep track of. For example, I have a page to track writing ideas, another to track reading progress, yet another for research notes on the topics I'm interested in.

There's a feature called "Namespaces" which I'm not sure if it's also in Logseq. Basically the user can add a prefix to a page name (e.g. Project/Writing). Then, in the "Namespaces" section of the app, all documents with the prefix would be nested under it, and the section can be collapsed.

All files created in Tine are just Markdown files. I point the workspace to a folder in Dropbox through which I sync to my Mac and Android devices.

Of course the original Vellum (https://vellum.pub is a powerful writing tool – free until you actually decide you want to publish something.

And it's been around for ages, not like all these new upstarts!

This new "vellum" does look very cool. I love the blog, too (although others will know The Marginalian as the exceptional blog published by Maria Popova – themarginalian.org).

It'll be interesting to watch the development!

Hot damn, Tine looks cool – like a wonderful replacement for the alas, sadly compromised LogSeq.

Thanks for that, Deb!

The Vellum devs are working with me to figure out why my Tana import hangs -- they are terrific. I admire this stage of an app's life when the developers are open to spending time with users, who haven't spent a nickel yet, and keep the conversation going.

I know this thread is about Vellum – and it does look really interesting! – but Tine has really tickled my fancy. It's an astonishingly powerful alternative to LogSeq (dare I say, what LogSeq could/should have been before they opted for the database back-end). It also has some very nice features missing from LogSeq that turn it into a serious outliner.

I shall open a new thread when I'm ready to spend time away from drooling over all these nice new apps... ;-)