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Posted by Daly de Gagne
Apr 12, 2024 at 05:49 PM
Dormouse, you make an interesting point about a traditional outline or mindmap program being better.
Would you agree that a traditional analogue approach - using a pen and index card in the spirit of Luhmann migh also be better than the digital approach?
Thanks.
Daly
Dormouse wrote:
>
>Tumbleweed wrote:
>It can be made into a Zettlekasten
>>with links, which should be more deliberate.
>>
>
>I was never happy with zettelkasten in Obsidian etc.
>Partly notes inclined towards long. The links carry no indication of a
>train of thought and, in practice, links on a note can reflect very
>distant trains of thought. And convenient workflows are rarely
>zettelkasten related.
>
>And when it comes to it I came down on the folgezettel being important
>side of the debate.
>And a traditional outline/mindmap automatically has a folgezettel
>structure. So long as the placement of a note is done with zettelkasten
>deliberation it’s all good, and there’s an inclination to short notes
>rather than long. And links and backlinks can still be done.
Posted by Tumbleweed
Apr 12, 2024 at 06:45 PM
Dormouse, I agree with your points 100%. I wished I had seen your post 20 years ago and found MyInfo! The folgezettel method of child notes is very natural. My mistake was in worrying about the exact location of notes, as if they might become lost. Occasional review allows one to clone them elsewhere, or link in new notes which refer to these older topics.
Deliberation as you mentioned is important, to avoid making a messy repository without useful links. Again, spot on with the issue I had with Logseq, as those links had no intention and were not useful. I do occasional like to break down long notes into shorter child notes, which then can be cloned where needed when they represent a new topic or subject area.
Daly, I see your point but really any tree software can be used for a Zettlekasten with the advantage of very rapidly moving from note to note. Just the time saved alone is worth digitization, not to mention the archival aspects. I do have a yearly journal I write in every evening, and both A5 dot notebooks (as an idea sketchbook) as well as A6 to carry. I plan to digitize important notes from the A5/A6 into MyInfo and keep the yearly journals for future reflection.
Posted by Bernhard
Apr 13, 2024 at 04:55 PM
The idea of a mind map is convincing at first glance. Unfortunately, the structure is limited to a tree structure. A node (thought, note) can only exist in one place. This seems to be a disadvantage compared to programs that allow the note to be saved (cloned) in more than one place.
Posted by Amontillado
Apr 13, 2024 at 07:22 PM
This is one of the things I found useful about TheBrain. Any node (thought) can have existing nodes as children, parents, or “jump” nodes.
Bernhard wrote:
The idea of a mind map is convincing at first glance. Unfortunately, the
>structure is limited to a tree structure. A node (thought, note) can
>only exist in one place. This seems to be a disadvantage compared to
>programs that allow the note to be saved (cloned) in more than one
>place.
Posted by Dormouse
Apr 14, 2024 at 10:56 AM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
>Would you agree that a traditional analogue approach - using a pen and
>index card in the spirit of Luhmann migh also be better than the digital
>approach?
I believe that will depend on the individual and the definition of better.
It would certainly allow a process more precisely similar to that of Luhmann. Though he was supported to have an almost clockwork like daily routine, and I doubt that can be replicated today. And the general speed of media and requirement for output to be digital creates a different environment for the mind.