It seems that 1% of free users since this month are already experiencing the limit of only 1 notebook with max of 50 notes. The other 99% are the next.

https://evernote.com/blog/evernote-free-note-limits

Thanks for the reminder that I ought to re-export all my (very) old notes.

Also a reminder that Obsidian can now import from Evernote :)

Christoph wrote:

Also a reminder that Obsidian can now import from Evernote :)

I might look to see how that works, but I'll probably just put them in OneNote. They're not the sort of notes I'd want in markdown. Quickly realised that when I first started to use markdown webclippers.

I ran the Obsidian importer and a OneNote importer.
The Obsidian importer has produced very few useful notes and cartloads of garbage in resources folders.
The OneNote importer seems to have done a good job (final big notebook still running).

When I ditched Evernote three years ago, I found that the Joplin importer worked well.

The DEVONthink importer is impeccable working with Evernote notes. This was my experience with him.

Dormouse wrote:

I ran the Obsidian importer and a OneNote importer.
The Obsidian importer has produced very few useful notes and cartloads
of garbage in resources folders.
The OneNote importer seems to have done a good job (final big notebook
still running).

So... I thought I'd log in and delete my Evernote account. Save up some space on their servers.

Their two-factor authentication isn't working. No code sent to my authenticator app. One-time code from the app isn't recognised.

The backup code that I had saved isn't accepted.

If you're a free user you cannot contact support.

Tried a different browser in case ad block was getting in the way. It refused my password.

Never mind then. I'll just leave the old junk there cluttering up their server. I'm glad I don't have anything of value there anymore.

Mmm. I thought I'd try deleting notes and notebooks. Neither could be deleted. I was able to empty the trash of notes that were already there, but that was it. I did find some notes that I could delete individually.

It's even further from a functioning system than I imagined.

Most of the reports I've seen on Upnote suggest that it imports notes enex successfully . I don't really want my ancient Evernotes on Upnote, so I haven't tested it myself. But would fit a pattern of notes generally being imported well into databases.

I'm not surprised by the problems that Obsidian had - seems similar to the issues I had with using markdown webclippers. I don't think markdown files are generally suitable for formatting/text/images mix from web pages and in most of my Evernotes. I suspect it would work better if Obsidian supported textbundle formats.

Just to confirm that UpNote does indeed import .enex files very successfully.

Cheers,
Bill

Evernote servers were working better today, so I did manage to delete my notes and close my account.

There's no way any small company can affordably absorb significant data from large and/or numerous Evernote customers for a one-time $25 unlock while continuing to pay its dev and storage costs (and make a profit), so either be prepared to pay a subscription in the future, or be ready to accept the export formats of the app (text, PDF, Markdown, HTML, screenshot).

I like the app and it's frequently updated. I think it's well designed and can for most people be a decent Evernot alternative, but this one-time Pro unlock smells wrong for what's being offered - either they plan to introduce subs or they're angling to sell the app to a company that won't honor forever unlimited storage and full features.

satis wrote:

There's no way any small company can affordably absorb significant data
from large and/or numerous Evernote customers for a one-time $25 unlock

$29.99 now or $0.99 a month

this
one-time Pro unlock smells wrong for what's being offered - either they
plan to introduce subs or they're angling to sell the app to a company
that won't honor forever unlimited storage and full features.

Or the single developer is playing the long game.
Income now sufficient for costs now. The one-time payment has been gradually increasing. The number of paying customers now is probably only a fraction of the long-term potential, and the low price attracts more users and attention in the market. By the time there's a very large number of customers, with attendant costs, the price may be considerably higher and the one-time payment model could be ended at any time.

Silicon Valley is full of dead companies playing the 'long game' of money-losing customers until... profit$. Not impressed. And UpNote's current pricing remains untenable, since most of its paying customers took the $25 lifetime unlock that was available for years.

Since I doubt they're bad at business they're either planning to introduce a new subscription tier with features unavailable to people who paid once, or they're looking to flip the app to a company that will do that.

Well, UpNote’s been around for quite a while now, and seems to me to be playing a rather clever game in the sense that they’re one of the very few multimedia notetaking apps that’s genuinely cross-platform and has excellent import capabilities. So modest as their pricing might be, it’s created a sizeable user base with consistently high reviews. Plus, I suspect, a solid base of subscribers who haven’t caught on to the “lifetime” option.

Yes, their model may change in the future – no different from so many other suppliers. There are other options. Joplin’s been cited here, and is an excellent choice for many people. There’s good ole’ Obsidian. In the end, people pay subscriptions for the apps that appeal to them. You could argue that all us Mac users really don’t need notetaking apps like Bear, UpNote, Bike, etc., because we’ve already got Apple Notes. And yet there’s still a thriving market...

So I’m a little surprised by your somewhat grumpy dismissal ;-)

satis wrote:

Silicon Valley is full of dead companies playing the 'long game' of
money-losing customers until... profit$. Not impressed. And UpNote's
current pricing remains untenable, since most of its paying customers
took the $25 lifetime unlock that was available for years.

Since I doubt they're bad at business they're either planning to
introduce a new subscription tier with features unavailable to people
who paid once, or they're looking to flip the app to a company that will
do that.

satis wrote:

since most of its paying customers
took the $25 lifetime unlock that was available for years.

It was less than $20 when I bought it.
And I don't really use it. So my contribution is all profit to them. I doubt I'm alone in that.

Upnote had prices as low as $18.90 I think for 'lifetime unlock'. Regardless, it's almost impossible for people making similar 'contributions' to be a relevant source of their funding. It's being sold as an Evernote alternative, and those who migrate (often large) Evernote accounts to Upnote without considering the cumulative costs to the company will be in for a shock when pricing/feature changes come.

No company can survive as an Evernote competitor with unlimited storage for a one-time fee. They're either planning to introduce new tiers and data limits to current users, or flip the app to a company that will do the dirty work.

With the mentioned limitation, I don't know whether people still use Evernote in its free version.

However, in recent news, the app reverted the trend of cutting options for no-pay users.
Several tools that were previously pro-only are now made freely available. The list is here:
https://evernote.com/blog/14-features-for-all

That's quite a positive move on Evernote's part. I suspect they got the message loud and clear that too many restrictions were limiting use of EN.

Anthony wrote:

With the mentioned limitation, I don't know whether people still use
Evernote in its free version.

However, in recent news, the app reverted the trend of cutting options
for no-pay users.
Several tools that were previously pro-only are now made freely
available. The list is here:
https://evernote.com/blog/14-features-for-all

Evernote users !

For those interested, it is still possible to use EN with the free plan, and create notes past the 50 mark...
For now at least...

As it turns out, this limitation is not effective when notes are created using their SDK. So provided the notes are created in InfoQube IM, then these can be edited in EN

Of course, there is no guarantee how long this trick will work, but it is a nifty way to continue to use EN on the free plan.

Details here: https://infoqubeim.com/drupal5/node/5099

Pierre Paul Landry
IQ Designer
p.s. You can now support our work... head over to our Patreon page:: https://patreon.com/InfoQubeIM

Paul's workaround to Evernote's note and notebook limitation is very interesting! Maintaining the note and notebook limitation in the free plan shows EN's reluctance to make the free plan practical for most people, in spite of adding new features from the paid side to it. The free plan becomes more of a free trial, and the personal plan becomes more attractive.

Pierre Paul Landry wrote:

Evernote users !

For those interested, it is still possible to use EN with the free plan,
and create notes past the 50 mark...
For now at least...

As it turns out, this limitation is not effective when notes are created
using their SDK. So provided the notes are created in InfoQube IM, then
these can be edited in EN

Of course, there is no guarantee how long this trick will work, but it
is a nifty way to continue to use EN on the free plan.

Details here: https://infoqubeim.com/drupal5/node/5099

Pierre Paul Landry
IQ Designer
p.s. You can now support our work... head over to our Patreon page::
https://patreon.com/InfoQubeIM

Ah, I’m afraid AnyType is my latest fascination (in the endless CRIMPing round that is life). So far, it’s impressed me very much – a kind of personal version of Notion. Once you get a handle on what it can do, the possibilities really start to snowball. However, there are a few irritating inconsistencies.

First, the editor is clearly inspired by Craft, and allows you to display links as simple underlined text or actual “cards”, meaning nicely decorated blocks/buttons that attract the eye. But to create a card, you have to modify the link’s settings from the “Preview” item in the context menu that appears when you click on a block’s left-hand border. Unfortunately, the “Preview” sub-menu doesn’t always appear. Embedding (transcluding) objects in notes/pages is also a somewhat fraught exercise, although I’m beginning to get the hang of it!

Second, search indexing by the universal search function is somewhat arbitrary. I imported a couple of hundred markdown notes (from Obsidian, as it happens), because AnyType’s import facility is really rather good. But I’ve discovered that none of them were indexed – the universal search function can’t find text in the body of these notes. Nor will it find text in HTML tables pasted into notes from e.g. websites, external sources etc.

On the other hand, if you copy and paste imported text (but not tables) into a new page or note, it’s immediately indexed (I pasted the entire text of Moby Dick into a note, and the universal search function immediately found terms in there). And general web pages pasted into a note are also indexed (a lengthy shipping article is immediately discoverable). If you create notes from scratch, they’re immediately indexed and available to the universal search function. So universal search is extremely useful – with some odd exceptions, notably imported files and pasted HTML tables. Even copying and pasting an HTML table from one note into a new one didn’t solve this problem.

It’s worth noting that the page search function is unaffected by this, and has proved to be extremely efficient.

You will, of course, remind me that AnyType is still in early development (I’m using the latest version, 0.39) – and yes, I’m well aware of this, and actually profoundly impressed by how sophisticated, fast and user-friendly it is (given some of the complex elements available to the really Notion-obsessed, e.g. “sets” vs “collections”). Once you start to play around, and in particular, read some of the documentation/watch some of the YouTube videos, you realise just how interestingly flexible it is as a data management app. There’s still a lot to do (notably in terms of embedding stuff inline), but it’s already worth taking very seriously.