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Posted by MadaboutDana
Feb 28, 2023 at 10:50 AM
Good grief, this is an unwarranted attack. Firstly, because it totally fails to acknowledge Andy’s interesting contributions to the forum. Secondly, because it is based on a very narrow definition of the term “outliner”. And thirdly, because of the unpleasant, accusatory tone.
What’s got into you, 22111? Is this just one of your usual rants? Perhaps you could rant somewhere else, and return here when you’ve got something more intelligent to say?
22111 wrote:
I personally think that Mr. Brice has been making quite a lot of
>advertising for his personal business interests here; evangelisting for
>some software when you’re fond of it, give the reasons, and have NO
>financial interest whatsoever, is one thing, permanently doing free
>advertising is quite another, as far as I’m concerned, but of course,
>that’s foremost Chris’ interest (to make him pay e.g.) - all the more so
>since NONE of Mr. Brice’s software is an outliner, and btw, from his
>musings about software development, he has removed reader comments some
>time ago, and I can confirm that before, there had not been any problem
>with “inadequate” user comments, all to the contrary: many of them had
>been very constructive, but that’s probably what motivated Mr. Brice to
>do away with them.
>
>The constant IQ “ads” here are different, since IQ is a legit outliner,
>and probably even one of the best there currently are on the market.
>
>Just my opinion, but if I had software to sell, I kindly asked about
>prices, instead of trying to constantly and persistently sponging.
Posted by tightbeam
Feb 28, 2023 at 12:00 PM
22111 has nothing intelligent to say. If he ever did have something intelligent to say, he’d not be able to express it in a form worthwhile to read. His posts are cholesterol, and his attempts to be provocative derive from his sad quest for attention. I’ve noticed that if no one engages with him, he disappears for a while.
Posted by 22111
Feb 28, 2023 at 01:32 PM
In order to be coherent, you first have to be honest, and the developer whose constant advertising of his non-outliner sw I have criticized above, is not coherent in his reasoning: His post, beyond being an ad for his non-outliner biz, tells us - if I translate it more or less correctly here - that he doesn’t understand how sw developers who charge 60 bucks, can (financially, organizationally - considering alleged after-sales services and so on) bear selling for 50 p.c. of that, when in the end, they will just get 50 p.c. (he didn’t mention the percentage, but that it is.. for him, at bits…) of those 50 p.c., and which in the end will then make a quarter of the original - more or less adequately - calculated asking price…
whilst he’s regularly on bits, where he gets 50 p.c. of his asking price over, and which might be 40, 50, 60 p.c. off his “list” price - I don’t remember… (and even ( about 7, 8 p.c.?) less (i.e. off that initial fraction), probably, if you count the payment processor’s share?)
but I remember that he’s on bits very regularly, and at these conditions (since bits publishes them), and whilst I couldn’t say he’s to be found there every 3 or 4 months, it’s very often indeed - which would be provable in case.
Thus my impression that his whining, and (obviously just made-up) “surprise” (or “disgust”? whatever) here about a third party’s commercial strategy which, for once (?), mimics the, by himself, very well-beaten path, was just another hook for advertising his non-outline sw.
And I wouldn’t have dared speak about that latter aspect here if I hadn’t first retrieved that former aspect - whilst not having written about that one, but then you asked for it.
A post that makes 3 ads for one’s own (and then, not even connected) biz interests in a row, but, in order to make those “pass”, feigns “incomprehension” about that biz’s own, and very largely applied by that very biz, marketing strategy, is…
yeah, you name it: SPAM.
And that immediate-previous poster is mistaken, too: I come here again whenever I’ve got new, relevant things to say, and then, also, I take the liberty to read here… and to comment here and there - co-posters’ “fault” if the current “recent” list, yesterday, had been exceptionally (sic!) abundant in themes I’ve got my say, too - so sorry indeed! ;-)
Posted by Andy Brice
Feb 28, 2023 at 03:01 PM
I’d really rather not engage in mudslinging and ad hominm attacks. But I feel I need to respond to some of these misinformed comments.
Hyper Plan (dare I mention my product name) isn’t an outliner, but I would call it ‘outliner adjacent’. My understanding is that outlinersoftware.com is a fairly broad church, where people discuss all aspects of personal information management and productivity systems.
I do promotions from time to time with BitsDuJour. I get 50% of 50% of normal list price, which is a fairly miserable. *But* I then have the possibility to sell the customer a major version upgrade further down the line. Which makes it worthwhile.
The Scrivener promotion is selling a ‘lifetime subscription’. So no chance to make any money on upgrades later. Quite different.
However Scrivener has been around a long time and I believe is well thought off. So I presume they know what they are doing. I’m genuinely curious about why they would agree to those terms. Normally you only see green and desparate startups offer lifetime subscriptions for low prices. Perhaps they have is some grand strategy I know nothing about. Or maybe I have misunderstood what the deal is.
Posted by Jon Polish
Feb 28, 2023 at 03:33 PM
Andy, I think Scrivener is doing exactly the same thing. The “lifetime” deal is for version 3, so if you want to upgrade to 4, you pay for the new version.
At least that is how I am reading it.
Jon