Hello,

today I was reading on a MORE info page

http://www.rhul.ac.uk/Classics/NJL/moredocs.html

and found the following decription of a free outliner (an older version of FRONTIER) which I cannot download. I assume the policy has changed but still I would like to verify if this is still the case:

"Frontier (MacOS/Windows)

Astounding, near-impossible-to-describe outline-based cross-platform scripting environment from MORE's own Dave Winer. (Frontier is a commercial program, but there's a free older version available.) Views differ on how far it qualifies as an outliner; the case for is put by Dave himself at

http://www.scripting.com/98/01/stories/frontier5IsAnOutliner.html .

On-line tutorial available; there's also a very good book on it by the wonderful Matt Neuburg, published by O'Reilly."

Is the information about the older version being free for download and use as outliner obsolete?

Inge M. Hofmann

Is the information about the older version being free for download and use as outliner obsolete?

Hmm, time I updated that page! As far as I can tell from a look round Userland's site, the free version of Frontier is no longer available for download. It does, however, still come with the 30-day demo of Nisus Writer Classic, and I think remains functional after the Nisus demo has expired. (Nisus, of course, has its own outliner in the final Classic incarnation, though not yet in the very different OSX app.) Note that the Frontier version is the now fairly geriatric 4.2; Userland's current release stands at 9.1, I think, with a new version in beta.

Nick.

I'd sure like to hear from anyone who's gotten it and is using it -- still hunting for some common denominator tool.

I've never found anything as good -- for being able to export and import chunks of material from other people using other applications -- as MORE 3.1. Everything else seems fussy and fiddly and too much trouble.

If only ....