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Tree-Outliner with internal EXCEL full-edit ribbon viewer?
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Posted by donleone
Jul 14, 2013 at 02:06 PM
Hello Outliner Experts.
Currently i am using Ultra Recall Professional 5 to fulfill my 2 prime outliner needs of:
1. Having a super elegant Tree Structure (preferable with custom icons, one-click open/close, etc.)
and
2. An internal full-editable native EXCEL viewer implementation (i.e. no external window pop-up via attachments, and please NOT (!) an implementation via Internet Explorer ActiveX Hosting like UR does so far, which crashes left and right with bugs.)
Ultra Recall Professional is “pretty nice” in general, IF IT WERE NOT ONLY for its most horribly bad internal RTF-Editor (scrolling is horrible, no tables row adding/editing nothing possible!)
and likewise their most horrible internal Internet Explorer ActiveX implementation of editing MS Word (with ribbon) and MS Excel (no ribbon possible, IE security limitation!).
Because of that I am looking for an alternative.
but forget all other “spreadsheet-supporting” Outliners, like Rightnote / AM-Notebook / Memomaster etc. of which again all are horribly bad in their spread-sheet capabilities and usabilities compared to EXCEL (as e.g. even the scrolling beyond 100 rows, larger import total crash, no multi sheets, most formulas dont work etc..)
and also forget please all so called “excel addins” like XLNotes, Excel Explorer etc…which likewise totally unstably tend to crash / loose data (in some comments fields forever gone!) etc. etc…. and are no alternative to a “real” free-form database/outliner software.
So my ONLY ALTERNATIVE so far found is TreeProjects which has a full Excel internal editing viewer (but not via an IE implementation like UR does, but directly with Excel itself !).
The only thing with “TreeProjects”, is to say the least, its “pretty limited” feature set compared to the far better developed UR (with custom fields, search folders, etc…).
Therefore, does any of you know another Software besides UR and TreeProjects that can likewise FULL internally edit Excel files, and does but NOT go via Internet Explorer to accomplish it ??? If so, then please let me know.
Thanks all.
Posted by Dr Andus
Jul 14, 2013 at 04:09 PM
donleone wrote:
>1. Having a super elegant Tree Structure (preferable with custom icons,
>one-click open/close, etc.)
>2. An internal full-editable native EXCEL viewer implementation
This is probably not the answer you’re looking for, but if you can’t find the right software for both, alternatively you could use one software for the tree structure, and just link to your Excel etc. files, so you could edit them in Excel.
E.g. this could be done using Freeplane (in mind map or outline mode), where you can drag and drop external files into the hierarchy, which then can be launched with one click. Nodes can be formatted, annotated, marked with icons, linked to each other etc.).
Posted by donleone
Jul 15, 2013 at 02:29 PM
thanks. Appreciate your out-of-the-box thinking.
It brought me down to the idea, that given the lack of a “perfect combo-software” it seems best to accomplish the Excel in-line-editing/view in Microsoft’s OneNote 2013, since that has at somewhat a hierarchical tree, and since its 2013 version allows now full Excel embeds inside, with instant synced-previews visible, albeit you’d still have to do 1 CLICK (so be it then) and open it in an external full Excel window to edit (what can i do, at least got thus the full screen space to work with that way, and no error messages ever).
Then after saving, instantly the onenote preview is synced and thats about as best it gets in 2013 today.
I’ll probably stick with that solution, and am discovering some extra power-user features of OneNote i never knew of, like all embedded audio & videos are auto-search indexed by speech etc…
here a good power-user video for those ever in the same problem as me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTBdonbYZo
Thanks all.
Posted by Slartibartfarst
Jul 15, 2013 at 02:31 PM
Heh. Ashton-Tate’s Framework IV used to have something like this. I was well-integrated, and also had native word processing and database (.dbl) capabilities, and modem auto-dialup AT functionality. In 1989 or thereabouts. Ran under DOS though…
It would be nice to find something as powerful and well-integrated for the current Windows OSes. Things like TreeSheets or XLNotes just are/were not up to it.
MS OneNote 2013 has some decent integration with Excel, but it’s not necessarily ideal. So much for OLE.
Posted by Slartibartfarst
Jul 16, 2013 at 12:54 AM
@donleone: By the way, thankyou - I just took a look at that link that you gave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTBdonbYZo
It’s a superb OneNote overview. There may be better ones out there, but this one is probably the best that I have seen to date, and I intend to use it as a point of reference for anyone requiring a OneNote introduction.
The guy giving it (Adam Smith) seems to be an experienced OneNote 2010+2013 user, rather than a OneNote developer, so he has some good “use case” examples to refer to.
In the video he gives a link to a website “Office OneNote Gem Add-Ins” at http://www.onenotegem.com/
- which looks to be potentially pretty useful.