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Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 10, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Has anybody else used/experimented with this rather charming outliner: Foliaro (http://www.foliaro.com)? It has the rather unique property of being a two/multiple-pane outliner that also supports single-page outlines (inside notes, as it were). Plus support for saving web pages etc. I’m just about to have a play…
Cheers,
Bill
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Nov 10, 2012 at 02:25 PM
Never heard of it before, but I find it interesting that, once again, a rather original idea is coming from Japan. The “split identity” outliner is one thing, the combination with the browser and HTML editor is an additional clever take on integrated information management.
By the way, Piggydb is evolving nicely into a paradigm much more solid than wikis.
Posted by Dr Andus
Nov 10, 2012 at 02:51 PM
Alexander Deliyannis wrote:
>By the way, Piggydb is evolving nicely into a
>paradigm much more solid than wikis.
That’s a bold claim ;) Would you care to elaborate? (I’m intrigued by Piggydb but haven’t had time to test drive it).
Posted by MadaboutDana
Nov 10, 2012 at 06:31 PM
Foliaro uses the same simple but brilliant approach as TreeProjects to views: you can drag and drop tabbed notes around the screen and they “snap” into position alongside/above/below other notes. For comparative purposes, this is extremely useful - it’s one of the huge strengths of TreeProjects.
Foliaro takes things further by having a built-in “intrinsic” outliner (that outlines within notes, using a selection of key combinations - unfortunately a couple of them clash with standard Windows key combinations that I, as a touch typist, use all the time, notably Ctrl+Arrow). The intrinsic outliner even allows you to hoist nodes (Ctrl+O) and create notes (Ctrl+Shift+B). And everything can be formatted as rich text (HTML, in fact).
You can also create styles (using CSS, in fact, which is a really great idea). It also supports tables inside outlines, and has a fairly powerful search function. The fact that it is Japanese by origin means it also supports double-byte characters. Oh, and you can link notes very easily, too.
Sensibly, articles are in “read-only” mode by default - you have to explicitly enter “edit” mode to change them (the app is based on SQL-Lite). I actually prefer this way of doing things - you’re much less likely to trash a lengthy note if you can’t actually edit it on the fly. This is especially important when you’re rapidly filling up a database with research material. Foliaro’s comprehensive web support (each note can also become a browser window) suggests this is a primary raison d’être.
Finally, lovers of Ecco Pro will be amused to hear that the symbols used in the intrinsic outliner (to indicate open/closed nodes with/without children) are identical to those we associate with Ecco Pro outlines…
I’m actually rather impressed!
Posted by Alexander Deliyannis
Nov 10, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Dr Andus wrote:
>That’s a bold claim ;) Would you care to
>elaborate? (I’m intrigued by Piggydb but haven’t had time to test drive it).
First of all, let me say that I’ve never been particularly attracted by the wiki concept. I use wikis with collaborators only because they are already familiar with them through wikipedia, and so are less likely to raise their defences when learning to use them, compared to lesser known tools. So you should take my opinion with a grain of salt.
That said, I have posted my reply in the relevant thread http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/2490/10